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Mary Rose Museum's Queer Lense

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1stWorldProblems · 07/08/2023 21:04

I bloody love this musuem & it's one of the few to use tech to enhance its exhibits with the "ghosts" it projects on the hull (as opposed to unnecessary "interactive" displays that 50-somethings are cool and break after a few months but which kids have seen better done on their tablets but that's another thread). This came up on my timeline today - viewing a number of their objects through a queer lens - or going on about 21st century concerns that can only be linked to the said object by tying yourself in knots.

https://maryrose.org/blog/collections/the-collections-team/queering-the-mary-rose-s-collection/

SO tedious - the wreck and the objects found are fascinating without layering on 21st century superfluous info. It's not even interesting or original thoughts - just the usual guff.

Queering The Mary Rose's Collection

Historical stories, conservation updates and other stories from the team at The Mary Rose

https://maryrose.org/blog/collections/the-collections-team/queering-the-mary-rose-s-collection

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MillicentTrilbyHiggins · 08/08/2023 22:30

Mine has neither a nit comb, or a tudor ship!

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terrywynne · 08/08/2023 22:28

@IcakethereforeIam I tried an AI image generator which created these... I think the first one may have a nit comb for actual hair! I did specify Tudor ship which was clearly a fail as those are neither Tudor hairstyles or Tudor ships.

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Richelieu · 08/08/2023 22:27

Even more bonus points if it’s as terrifying as the Chat GPT trailer for a Heidi film which I saw on Twitter. I’m still having nightmares.

IcakethereforeIam · 08/08/2023 22:18

Ooh, can someone get it to do a gay nit comb picture? Bonus if it's set at sea in Tudor times.

Boiledbeetle · 08/08/2023 22:11

Chat gpt

Write me a poem about a gay nit comb

In a world of tangles, where hair intertwines,
A gay nit comb emerges, its purpose defined.
With teeth that dance gently, a rainbow's embrace,
It brings order and care to each textured grace.
A symphony of colors, a celebration so bright,
It glides through the strands, in love's tender light.
Embracing diversity, in every unique strand,
The gay nit comb glimmers, in love's open hand.
Unraveling knots with compassion, it sings,
Each snarl and each twist, it tenderly brings
To harmony's rhythm, where differences unite,
The gay nit comb whispers, "In love, we take flight."
In its gentle caress, a story is told,
Of acceptance and pride, in every strand's hold.
So let us remember, as we comb through our days,
The gay nit comb's lesson, in love's vibrant blaze.

Musomama1 · 08/08/2023 21:51

NeverDropYourMooncup · 08/08/2023 19:34

Stonehenge, the iconic prehistoric monument located on the Salisbury Plain in England, holds a unique place in the annals of queer history, not because of its original purpose or construction, but rather due to its symbolic resonance and its role in contemporary celebrations of diversity and inclusion.

Stonehenge itself was built by Neolithic and Bronze Age communities over a span of centuries, with the most significant construction occurring around 2500 BCE. Its original purpose is still a subject of debate among archaeologists, but it is widely believed to have had ceremonial and astronomical significance, possibly serving as a site for religious rituals and observance of celestial events.

In the context of queer history, Stonehenge's enduring presence has lent itself to various interpretations and connections. Its timeless and enigmatic nature has attracted LGBTQ+ individuals and communities seeking spaces of belonging and connection. The site's mysterious history, marked by the efforts of ancient societies to gather and celebrate, can be seen as a metaphor for the contemporary queer experience – a shared pursuit of identity and unity in the face of adversity.

In more recent years, Stonehenge has become a venue for LGBTQ+ gatherings and celebrations. The Summer Solstice, a significant event at Stonehenge, has drawn LGBTQ+ individuals from around the world to partake in the festivities. This convergence of ancient and modern, historical and contemporary, serves as a powerful reminder of the resilience and strength of the LGBTQ+ community.
Moreover, Stonehenge's enduring symbolism as a monument that transcends time and societal boundaries can be seen as a metaphor for the fluidity and diversity of sexual orientations and gender identities. Just as the stones of Stonehenge have stood through the ages, enduring change and upheaval, so too have LGBTQ+ individuals forged a path of acceptance and understanding in a world that has not always been accommodating.

In conclusion, Stonehenge's significance in queer history lies not in its construction or original purpose, but in the powerful ways it has been embraced as a symbol of unity, identity, and inclusion by LGBTQ+ communities. Its magnetic pull, both as an ancient monument and as a modern gathering place, reminds us of the importance of connecting with our past while also forging a path towards a more inclusive and accepting future.

Is this a computer generated thing? Quite poetic actually compared to nit combs = haircuts = queer expression.

So my queering of Stonehenge got as far as large erections...

SidewaysOtter · 08/08/2023 21:48

I thought I'd do an accompanying blog. Today's entry will be about my trip to Aldi
But I can't be bothered to type it right now.

That Chat-thingy will be your friend. Get it to wang in the phrase “LGBTQIA+” at intervals and you’ll be qualifying for public funding in no time.

SinnerBoy · 08/08/2023 21:43

I'm quite astonished that such an irrelevant blurb has been accepted as information on the ship / shipboard life. It doesn't even try to be relevant, it's just:

Nit combs. Queer people!

1stWorldProblems · 08/08/2023 21:20

More actual history on this thread than on the original webpage. Glad to see they tw#tted too for such drivel.

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Boiledbeetle · 08/08/2023 21:16

MillicentTrilbyHiggins · 08/08/2023 20:59

I have a very skinny teen. He can do it. He also makes amazing scones which I can sell in the coffee shop.

I thought I'd do an accompanying blog. Today's entry will be about my trip to Aldi
But I can't be bothered to type it right now. Plus I need to tidy up if you're all coming round. Grin

Well, it would be rude not to as you've gone to all the effort!

Do we get a mumsnet discount on the ticket price?

MillicentTrilbyHiggins · 08/08/2023 20:59

Boiledbeetle · 08/08/2023 20:20

Bizarrely you'd do even better if you passed it off as the work of a thin person giving their tortured impression of the life of a fat person through the lens of a fat person.

Can you get a skinny kid from down the road to work the room looking all serious and spouting waffle? Gives you chance to sit at the door eating Tunnocks and Pocketing the cash.

I have a very skinny teen. He can do it. He also makes amazing scones which I can sell in the coffee shop.

I thought I'd do an accompanying blog. Today's entry will be about my trip to Aldi
But I can't be bothered to type it right now. Plus I need to tidy up if you're all coming round. Grin

SabrinaThwaite · 08/08/2023 20:40

On the Cowdray Engraving that shows the sinking of the Mary Rose, there is a theory that Catherine Howard is depicted trying to catch Henry’s eye.

terrywynne · 08/08/2023 20:29

SabrinaThwaite · 08/08/2023 20:17

Is that the same Thomas Howard that pimped out his niece, Catherine?

That's the one. There is some question over whether he actively pushed her in front of Henry as it were. But he certainly didn't object when she caught the kings eye. And then when it all went to pieces, he disowned his whole step family as traitors to save his skin. And when it was clear that his son was going to be found guilty of treason, he tried unsuccessfully to pull the same trick.

Boiledbeetle · 08/08/2023 20:20

MillicentTrilbyHiggins · 07/08/2023 22:04

You're right! I'm going to open my house to the public. They can pay to come and see my things in an exhibition called "How 21st century people live. Through a fat persons lens"

I'll be loaded in no time.

Bizarrely you'd do even better if you passed it off as the work of a thin person giving their tortured impression of the life of a fat person through the lens of a fat person.

Can you get a skinny kid from down the road to work the room looking all serious and spouting waffle? Gives you chance to sit at the door eating Tunnocks and Pocketing the cash.

SabrinaThwaite · 08/08/2023 20:17

terrywynne · 08/08/2023 20:12

Ah yes the delightful Thomas Howard (not be confused with his father Thomas, brother Thomas, or grandson Thomas none of whom were quite as abusive to their wives). I believe he also tried to persuade his wife's niece to return home after she ran away from her husband (16h earl of Oxford of Oxford who then allegedly bigamously married his mistress). Honestly, it's impressive how Henry VIII can end up not being the worst husband.

Is that the same Thomas Howard that pimped out his niece, Catherine?

terrywynne · 08/08/2023 20:16

narniabusiness · 08/08/2023 20:04

I think the root cause of this nonsense is probably the National Heritage Lottery Fund. Museums need a grant. Grant is awarded for projects which engage with diverse communities (eg LGBT+). Salaries are paid. Intern writes some unresearched drivel. Then off to apply for the next grant to keep the place afloat.

Not sure that it applies to this particular case but there may be something to this. Especially since they rejigged the criteria for getting a grant after COVID. It used to be enough to be generally widening access to history and preserving a heritage asset. Now you have to improve mental well being, widen access amongst marginalised or vulnerable groups, create jobs/improve people's skills or bring an economic benefit to the local area if you want to get a grant.

terrywynne · 08/08/2023 20:12

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 08/08/2023 19:05

You'd have thought that if they had wanted to get to Lord Hungerford himself, they could have done something with the fact he imprisoned his wife, starved her, reduced her to drinking urine, and (according to her) tried to poison her. Horrible man, even compared with some of his equally horrible contemporaries

Including the Duke of Norfolk, rumoured to have allowed his mistress and her friends to beat up his wife. Hungerford's behaviour to his wife was probably seen as man keeping recalcitrant wife under control. Let's face it, Henry VIII wasn't exactly in a good position to start moralising about how people should treat their wives.

Ah yes the delightful Thomas Howard (not be confused with his father Thomas, brother Thomas, or grandson Thomas none of whom were quite as abusive to their wives). I believe he also tried to persuade his wife's niece to return home after she ran away from her husband (16h earl of Oxford of Oxford who then allegedly bigamously married his mistress). Honestly, it's impressive how Henry VIII can end up not being the worst husband.

Richelieu · 08/08/2023 20:11

The novelist Philip Hensher has got hold of this on Twitter and isn’t mincing his words. Very amusing if you can get onto the site and search for him.

Boiledbeetle · 08/08/2023 20:11

I'm late to the thread and so will admit that i haven't yet read anyone's posts (bite me) but I've got to say after reading the first one about mirrors I honestly expected the nit comb one to say

straight and LGBTQ+ people can all have nits.

narniabusiness · 08/08/2023 20:04

I think the root cause of this nonsense is probably the National Heritage Lottery Fund. Museums need a grant. Grant is awarded for projects which engage with diverse communities (eg LGBT+). Salaries are paid. Intern writes some unresearched drivel. Then off to apply for the next grant to keep the place afloat.

bellac11 · 08/08/2023 20:02

Ginmonkeyagain · 08/08/2023 17:23

Well indeed or the Mediveal/Tudor convention that women, once married, should wear their hair tied back and/or covered.

Or the fuss that came about when women in the Twenties cut their hair short after WW1 but by the time of WW2 women wearing their hair short and permed was common place (see how the Queen wore her hair for pretty much her whole life)

What about the Stuart and Georgian custom of both sexes of shaving their hair and wearing elaborate wigs in its place?

Hold on, she wore her hair short subverting gender norms and called herself a Queen?

What are you SAYING?????

ChaToilLeam · 08/08/2023 19:44

The LGBTQ+ nit comb was spectacularly tenuous! 😂

Ginmonkeyagain · 08/08/2023 19:42

Is long hair for women and short hair for men a gender norm or just fashion? I was an early teen in the grunge/grebo years and pretty much all fashionable men in bands had long hair.

Then in the britpop years most of the cool women on bands I wanted to be like, had very short bobs.

FrancescaContini · 08/08/2023 19:41

@NeverDropYourMooncup Genius

SabrinaThwaite · 08/08/2023 19:39

TBF, you can’t beat the Spinal Tap interpretation of Stonehenge.