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Mary Rose Museum's Queer Lense

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1stWorldProblems · 07/08/2023 21:04

I bloody love this musuem & it's one of the few to use tech to enhance its exhibits with the "ghosts" it projects on the hull (as opposed to unnecessary "interactive" displays that 50-somethings are cool and break after a few months but which kids have seen better done on their tablets but that's another thread). This came up on my timeline today - viewing a number of their objects through a queer lens - or going on about 21st century concerns that can only be linked to the said object by tying yourself in knots.

https://maryrose.org/blog/collections/the-collections-team/queering-the-mary-rose-s-collection/

SO tedious - the wreck and the objects found are fascinating without layering on 21st century superfluous info. It's not even interesting or original thoughts - just the usual guff.

Queering The Mary Rose's Collection

Historical stories, conservation updates and other stories from the team at The Mary Rose

https://maryrose.org/blog/collections/the-collections-team/queering-the-mary-rose-s-collection

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CurseYouPerryThePlatypus · 07/08/2023 22:19

The word queering is an interesting choice. It’s not even trying to hide the fact that they’re pushing whatever it is (I’ve seen it in so many contexts now including “queering children’s literature) into queer topics.

Surely with this kind of rubbish, they’d want to call it something like “uncovering the true queerness of XYZ”

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 07/08/2023 22:19

Andante57 · 07/08/2023 22:16

I sometimes wonder if this queering stuff is all one big pisstake. People get paid to write this nonsense?
For the most part, no, it will be student volunteers and interns.

Countess, is it not seen by someone senior before it’s printed and displayed?

It’s probably more trouble to say ‘this is crap, it will reflect badly on the museum’ than just stick it there and hope nobody notices.

MillicentTrilbyHiggins · 07/08/2023 22:18

OvaHere · 07/08/2023 22:10

😂😂😂

If you throw in a cuppa and cake I will come visit your exhibition.

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Deal.

But in all honesty, isn't it a bit disrespectful to the people who died on the Mary Rose to make their artefacts about queer people instead. Although of course some of them may have been 'queer'.

By all means make an exhibition about how looking in the mirror can be hard for some queer people. Although it can be hard for some non queers too. But yes, educate Joe Public about how it feels to feel like the body you're in is wrong or whatever. Or how it felt for your marriage to only be allowed in recent history.

But leave the MR and her artefacts to educate people about the Tudors and the lives that were lost on the ship.

Andante57 · 07/08/2023 22:16

I sometimes wonder if this queering stuff is all one big pisstake. People get paid to write this nonsense?
For the most part, no, it will be student volunteers and interns.

Countess, is it not seen by someone senior before it’s printed and displayed?

thatsn0tmyname · 07/08/2023 22:11

It's all very me, me, me, isn't it. And so very self - indulgent.

OvaHere · 07/08/2023 22:10

MillicentTrilbyHiggins · 07/08/2023 22:04

You're right! I'm going to open my house to the public. They can pay to come and see my things in an exhibition called "How 21st century people live. Through a fat persons lens"

I'll be loaded in no time.

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😂😂😂

If you throw in a cuppa and cake I will come visit your exhibition.

SemperIdem · 07/08/2023 22:07

The author must have dislodged a rib or two with this absurd reach.

AtrociousCircumstance · 07/08/2023 22:07

Diddykong · 07/08/2023 21:42

It's Arnold Rimmer exam failing proportions.

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😂

NeverDropYourMooncup · 07/08/2023 22:06

Motorina · 07/08/2023 21:31

I was going to try and parody the nit comb bit. But, actually, it's beyond parody.

Here it is in it's full navel-gazing, ummm, glory:

The most common personal objects that we found on the Mary Rose were nit combs. There were 82 in total. These nit combs would have been mainly used by the men to remove nits from their hair, rather than using the comb to style their hair (which would have usually been covered up by a hat). However, for many Queer people today, how we wear our hair is a central pillar of our identity. Today, hairstyles are often heavily gendered, following the gender norm that men have short hair, and women have long hair. By ‘subverting’ and playing with gender norms, Queer people can find hairstyles that they feel comfortable wearing.

Ummm... And queer people finding hairstyles they're comfortable with (just like non-queer people do, remarkably) has what to do with nits, exactly?

Highly educational - who'd have thought it that Queer people comb their hair?

Lantyslee · 07/08/2023 22:05

Jeez and here was I thinking the reason I've had short hair most of my life was because it's practical and suits me. Turns out I'm subverting norms. I might even be queer without knowing it.

I hope this is a temporary blip as the Mary Rose Museum is fantastic or used to be

MillicentTrilbyHiggins · 07/08/2023 22:04

OvaHere · 07/08/2023 21:50

You've got a whole exhibition there you could charge £££££ for.

Time to give up the day job. 😂

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You're right! I'm going to open my house to the public. They can pay to come and see my things in an exhibition called "How 21st century people live. Through a fat persons lens"

I'll be loaded in no time.

CurseYouPerryThePlatypus · 07/08/2023 22:04

Yep and were too busy trying to relieve the itching to think “oooh how can I let everyone know how special my identity is”

JanesLittleGirl · 07/08/2023 22:02

Or: in the 16th Century, almost everybody had nits so they all used nit combs to remove them.

CurseYouPerryThePlatypus · 07/08/2023 21:57

This sort of nonsense reminds me of the people who always have to find a connection to eeeeverything someone says. As in “oh yes, my sister’s neighbour’s boyfriend’s cat had that”

PermanentTemporary · 07/08/2023 21:52

That's so dreadful I feel deeply embarrassed for the author.

OvaHere · 07/08/2023 21:50

MillicentTrilbyHiggins · 07/08/2023 21:48

Good what a load of wank.

I might do a blog of the museum through a fat person lense.

Here's a mirror. Fat people look in mirrors. Sometimes they hate what they see. Sometimes they realise they are more than their fatness and don't care.

Here's a comb. Fat people come their hair too. Some hairstyles suit fat faces. Some don't.

Here's a ring. Fat people get married too. Shock.

You've got a whole exhibition there you could charge £££££ for.

Time to give up the day job. 😂

SophieTheWonderCat · 07/08/2023 21:49

Just when you think you have seen it all more crap appears.

MillicentTrilbyHiggins · 07/08/2023 21:48

Good what a load of wank.

I might do a blog of the museum through a fat person lense.

Here's a mirror. Fat people look in mirrors. Sometimes they hate what they see. Sometimes they realise they are more than their fatness and don't care.

Here's a comb. Fat people come their hair too. Some hairstyles suit fat faces. Some don't.

Here's a ring. Fat people get married too. Shock.

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1stWorldProblems · 07/08/2023 21:47

@IcakethereforeIam - you met Margaret Rule (Margaret Rule) - am very jealous. She was amazing on Blue Peter and other TV - no nonsense, clever, enthusiastic & didn't talk down to kids. She helped excavate Fishbourne Roman Villa too.

@TheCountessofFitzdotterel I know it's just on the website and could have been worse / affected the actual museum displays but it's such tosh. Guess I'm just disappointed they hosted something so irrelevant to the exhibits.

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OvaHere · 07/08/2023 21:45

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 07/08/2023 21:42

The work experience student pissed around for the first five weeks and four days of his six week placement and realised on the last day he’d better write something fast or he would fail the work experience module of his museum studies MA?

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I hope this is true because I might lose my faith in humanity if it was produced by a fully fledged adult. 😱

Diddykong · 07/08/2023 21:42

OvaHere · 07/08/2023 21:39

This is the sort of massive reach I might have made as a teenager in an exam I'd not revised for and didn't really know much about the subject. 😂

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It's Arnold Rimmer exam failing proportions.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 07/08/2023 21:42

OvaHere · 07/08/2023 21:39

This is the sort of massive reach I might have made as a teenager in an exam I'd not revised for and didn't really know much about the subject. 😂

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The work experience student pissed around for the first five weeks and four days of his six week placement and realised on the last day he’d better write something fast or he would fail the work experience module of his museum studies MA?

AtrociousCircumstance · 07/08/2023 21:42

Motorina · 07/08/2023 21:31

I was going to try and parody the nit comb bit. But, actually, it's beyond parody.

Here it is in it's full navel-gazing, ummm, glory:

The most common personal objects that we found on the Mary Rose were nit combs. There were 82 in total. These nit combs would have been mainly used by the men to remove nits from their hair, rather than using the comb to style their hair (which would have usually been covered up by a hat). However, for many Queer people today, how we wear our hair is a central pillar of our identity. Today, hairstyles are often heavily gendered, following the gender norm that men have short hair, and women have long hair. By ‘subverting’ and playing with gender norms, Queer people can find hairstyles that they feel comfortable wearing.

Ummm... And queer people finding hairstyles they're comfortable with (just like non-queer people do, remarkably) has what to do with nits, exactly?

That……is absolutely pathetic. Just desperate flimflam.

The moronic hand-wringing of it all.

sashagabadon · 07/08/2023 21:40

They really are grasping at straws there.

OvaHere · 07/08/2023 21:39

Motorina · 07/08/2023 21:31

I was going to try and parody the nit comb bit. But, actually, it's beyond parody.

Here it is in it's full navel-gazing, ummm, glory:

The most common personal objects that we found on the Mary Rose were nit combs. There were 82 in total. These nit combs would have been mainly used by the men to remove nits from their hair, rather than using the comb to style their hair (which would have usually been covered up by a hat). However, for many Queer people today, how we wear our hair is a central pillar of our identity. Today, hairstyles are often heavily gendered, following the gender norm that men have short hair, and women have long hair. By ‘subverting’ and playing with gender norms, Queer people can find hairstyles that they feel comfortable wearing.

Ummm... And queer people finding hairstyles they're comfortable with (just like non-queer people do, remarkably) has what to do with nits, exactly?

This is the sort of massive reach I might have made as a teenager in an exam I'd not revised for and didn't really know much about the subject. 😂