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Brighton Pride: Trans activists block Labour Party in parade

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IwantToRetire · 07/08/2023 18:53

Trans rights activists blocked Labour activists, councillors and MPs during the Pride parade to protest against the party’s stance on LGBTQ+ rights.

Protesters held a banner that said “Starmer Hates Trans People” in front of a group of party members, including Hove MP Peter Kyle, council leader Bella Sankey and Eddie Izzard, who is hoping to become Brighton Pavilion's MP in the future.

Trans rights campaigners have expressed anger at Labour after party leader Keir Starmer rowed back on plans to introduce a self-identification system to allow transgender people to legally identify as their chosen gender without a medical diagnosis.

https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/23706755.brighton-pride-trans-activists-block-labour-party-parade/

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In the meantime Labour is now trying to "soften" their message about supporting women with this statement:

Anneliese Dodds: Labour wants to tackle ‘indignities’ for trans people and protect women’s spaces

“We are continuously learning about the situation for trans people,” she said, in an interview with i. “We have also seen developments in Scotland where the SNP had a particular approach where the result of that has been conflict, fuelled by the Conservatives in Westminster, and actually trans people are no further on.

“There’s been a tremendous row, there’s taxpayers money being paid on legal challenges but trans people are no further forward and I don’t want to see that situation.

“I want us to be able to reform, to remove those indignities and at the same time to have a system that is robust that commands public confidence.”

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/anneliese-dodds-labour-indignities-trans-people-womens-spaces-2528235

Trans activists block Labour in Pride parade with 'Starmer Hates Trans People' banner

Trans rights activists blocked Labour activists, councillors and MPs during the Pride parade to protest against the party’s stance on LGBTQ+ rights

https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/23706755.brighton-pride-trans-activists-block-labour-party-parade

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AutumnCrow · 08/08/2023 00:17

Btw, Izzard's twitter feed Aug 5 - still other photos of him with Kyle and LRM. Can't be arsed posting them all tonight.

Slothtoes · 07/08/2023 23:27

‘Lovely clear blue water’ that should have said.

Slothtoes · 07/08/2023 23:26

What is it with TRAs and covering up their faces? Why? They look absolutely barking in that picture- are they really wearing square flaps of flesh coloured cloth over their faces? Can they see anything through it?

Anyway, whatever- these lonely and very strange-looking protestors couldn’t be more useful to publicly peak Starmer and the Labour Party upper echelons at this point. Bring it on.

Starmer should be seeing clearly by now that no thanks will ever come to him from TRAs (whatever he does it will never be enough) and that popular votes will evaporate if he tries to meet TRA demands, so surely he would never let Labour have self ID as policy ever again. He just needs to keep going…

I think he’ll be happy to see such a tiny, strange protest against his stance on self ID, it puts loveyclear blue water politically between the TRA and himself, in one handy photo.

SinnerBoy · 07/08/2023 23:05

What a missed opportunity for a Kakaya Consyerva drone strike.

( Kakaya Consyerva my wife confirms that my daughter has translated Poo Tin correctly).

AutumnCrow · 07/08/2023 22:50

lanadelgrey · 07/08/2023 22:21

For the coming election, Labour are unlikely to lose either side of Brighton Pavillion - Lloyd Russell Moyle to the east and Peter Kyle to the west but they want to win against the Greens in Caroline Lucas’s seat - the Eddie Izzard target, and could probably get the next two west from Hove towards Worthing. So they will be busy trying to work out if Izzard is a liability or a vote winner. Kyle and LRM are never seen in the same space together, one the rabble rouser, the other is remarkably quiet on this issue but is utterly tied to Starmer and v quietly ambitious

Kyle and LRM are never seen in the same space together

Funnily enough ...

Brighton Pride: Trans activists block Labour Party in parade
SinnerBoy · 07/08/2023 22:41

AutumnCrow · Today 22:38

Then, it rained

Oh no! Even the weather is transphobic!

DaisyThistle · 07/08/2023 22:40

On another thread we were talking about how language evolves. Does 'hate' now mean 'disagrees with'?

AutumnCrow · 07/08/2023 22:38

Then, it rained

Brighton Pride: Trans activists block Labour Party in parade
SinnerBoy · 07/08/2023 22:37

fatigo · Today 20:53

The comments (presumably mostly from Brighton people) on the Argus article linked to in the OP are quite heartening

The ones calling Izzard a working class hero?

And what indignities is Anodyne Dodds referring to? The indignity of no longer being allowed to go into the changing rooms in Sparks and wank on the lingerie? The indignity of the current difficulty in going into the swimming pool changing rooms and waving their willies in front of little girls?

Someone needs to have her clarify in Parliament.

AutumnCrow · 07/08/2023 22:36

Breezycheesetrees · 07/08/2023 18:59

Our friend Lloyd R-M is keeping his head down isn't he?

I think he's at the back. Back row, middle?

Behind and to the right of Izzard,

Brighton Pride: Trans activists block Labour Party in parade
SinnerBoy · 07/08/2023 22:31

Breezycheesetrees · Today 18:59

Our friend Lloyd R-M is keeping his head down isn't he?

Yes, let's pray that the toilet seat doesn't fall and break his neck, as he drinks.

lanadelgrey · 07/08/2023 22:21

For the coming election, Labour are unlikely to lose either side of Brighton Pavillion - Lloyd Russell Moyle to the east and Peter Kyle to the west but they want to win against the Greens in Caroline Lucas’s seat - the Eddie Izzard target, and could probably get the next two west from Hove towards Worthing. So they will be busy trying to work out if Izzard is a liability or a vote winner. Kyle and LRM are never seen in the same space together, one the rabble rouser, the other is remarkably quiet on this issue but is utterly tied to Starmer and v quietly ambitious

SunnyEgg · 07/08/2023 21:55

I’m not sure Labour can claim we care they don’t when they have Starmer hates signs up

Anyway they can lob it out with each other, they both sound ridiculous

duc748 · 07/08/2023 21:51

Elections are determined by a few swing constituencies. Maybe many of those aren't in Momentum strongholds (seats Labour will hold anyway?).

I don't think TRA groups protesting against Keir Starmer is bad for him. He's moved his position so they are now angry at him.

Labour strategists will be pleased, I would think.

Agree with that. Not that Labour deserve it.

literalviolence · 07/08/2023 21:30

duc748 · 07/08/2023 19:03

Yeah, it's all about 'those futile indignities for trans people', isn't it? 🙄

Perhaps Dodds could clarify exactly what those indignities are, and why they count for more than the comfort and safety of women and girls?

I think they might be things like TW not being allowed to go into any women's space and totally trample on women's rights. I have no time for nonsense like this which can't even be bothered to define what rights trans people don't actually currently have in law. It's just more labour anti-women, unreflective privilege shit. God knows why they still have supporters. Germaine Greer was right when she said that women have no idea how much men hate them.

Anxioys · 07/08/2023 20:54

@RebelliousCow - they will of course vote Labour and carry on moaning but importantly, the election is going to fought on the middle ground of politics. That's where the votes are. Labour cannot win without them and they have been deserting the Conservatives for the last 12 months.

I have never seen a real left wing government in the U.K. and I don't think Keir Starmer is that either.

fatigo · 07/08/2023 20:53

The comments (presumably mostly from Brighton people) on the Argus article linked to in the OP are quite heartening

SunnyEgg · 07/08/2023 20:49

“I want us to be able to reform, to remove those indignities and at the same time to have a system that is robust that commands public confidence.”

And how exactly Dodds?

Ha at Labour trying to square the circle, numpties

fortheloveofflowers · 07/08/2023 20:47

Slightly off topic but Eddie Izzard looked a bloody mess albeit a smug one on Saturday. Nothing about him portrayed a decent leader. It’s all so very narcissistic.

Datun · 07/08/2023 20:46

“I want us to be able to reform, to remove those indignities and at the same time to have a system that is robust that commands public confidence.”

Lol. And good luck with that. It's impossible. You're going to have to pick one.

They will now never square the circle that puts rapists in prison with women. Or lets men take women's sport. And toilets will be a self own, as soon as the suggestion of a third space gets rejected.

And i'm not sure how long they can keep talking high-level here, now, either. They're gonna have to start talking actual spaces.

And that's an either/or. There is no middle ground. Robust or otherwise

honestly, they haven't even started and are already making fools of themselves.

They're going to have to pick a side.

BaronMunchausen · 07/08/2023 20:44

There seems to be a grand total of 3 TRAs in the photo? If so, it really didn't merit reporting.

RebelliousCow · 07/08/2023 20:42

Anxioys · 07/08/2023 20:39

@RebelliousCow - if they were going to win then they need to dump Momentum and their followers. They won't win with them and seem to be anxious to remove that as a dominant idea in voters.

I don't think TRA groups protesting against Keir Starmer is bad for him. He's moved his position so they are now angry at him.

Labour strategists will be pleased, I would think

But the Left/Momentum vote is a large section of the Labour vote. Most leftists where I live hate Starmer - but will no doubt vote Labour anyway- who else would they vote for if they really want to be rid of the Tories - which they seriously do?

Anxioys · 07/08/2023 20:39

@RebelliousCow - if they were going to win then they need to dump Momentum and their followers. They won't win with them and seem to be anxious to remove that as a dominant idea in voters.

I don't think TRA groups protesting against Keir Starmer is bad for him. He's moved his position so they are now angry at him.

Labour strategists will be pleased, I would think

RebelliousCow · 07/08/2023 20:33

Plus that vote has nowhere else meaningful to go - except to the Greens who don't stand a chance of election. Most will still vote Labour.

RebelliousCow · 07/08/2023 20:31

Anxioys · 07/08/2023 19:21

I reckon at this stage they will be calculating that since the trans vote is both minuscule and also it seems on glue in terms of any policy that it is not worth it.

I foresee a very small section in the manifesto with a "review" promised and Dodds can move on to a new portfolio

You are optimistic, I think. The bedrock of their Momentum/Left support is very important to them - and they will calculate it to be more numerous than the actively GC vote.