virgin active changing room policy

I thought the acronyms, all the acronyms, were okay as long as no-one was targeted? Or is it broad generalisations that aren't permitted? So, is the answer be broad, but not too broad?

Thank you for doing this. We all have to force these companies to be clear - from DL, Marks & Spencer, Virgin and the rest. If by women's changing rooms / showers they mean men as well then they must label facilities as mixed sex. That way women can take their business to Ballantyne gyms & all the other businesses that recognise that women & girls are entitled to privacy & safety from men who don't recognise boundaries.

There's a massive change afoot at the moment as the fall out from all this is increasingly evident. The sheer volume of sex offenders claiming to be women, rape & sexual assault in women's prisons, hospital wards & toilets. The populations are now aware and are furious.

I think the onus is on the other party to prove they did not mean to alarm or distress.

Hello I am currently going after David Lloyd Leisure for secretly allowing men into my and my daughters female single sex changing room (on account of following UK Active Trans guidance, written with Stonewall). I am sorry you have had to experience this situation. I would love to talk to you and perhaps offer some advice? My story is on Twitter @EmmaHardy196290

https://democracythree.org/help-emma-sue-david-lloyd

I'd be interested in what would happen OP if you went to the front desk and said you were excluded from mixed sex changing rooms - obviously you were not going to disclose deeply personal and sensitive data on why - and where the inclusive provision for your changing was sited?

It’s the equivalent of me changing sitting naked on the bench with my legs out wide at shoulder height facing the room. He could have turned around to change if he genuinely identified as a a woman AND there were no cubicles. He didn’t, because he isn’t. Tell that to management.

(& yes obviously male people shouldn’t use women’s changing rooms but management are more likely to understand the other angle, whcih is what’s going on here anyway - that he doesn’t really identify as a woman but what fun to be able to go into the women’s change rooms and flash your penis around)

I've looked all through Virgin Active's website for the Rules/Terms & Conditions etc and I can find nothing that clarifies their changing room policy in this respect.

They do have a Complaints Policy, so I would complain via that medium.

I would've walked straight out to reception and loudly stated that their was a man exposing his penis in the women's changing room. Because that is what was happening.

Then watch as they imploded trying to claim that he was somehow a woman.

Their changing rooms should either be mixed sex or single sex, but they should not use 'women's' to describe a room that is actually mixed sex just so some men can get validation of their 'gender' feelings.

Men who deliberately expose themselves to women and children ARE sexual predators. Their 'gender identity' is irrelevant.

A man who has had his penis removed is as much of a male as one who hasn't. And women and girls have a right to be in a changing room without the presence of a male. Penis attached or not.

re: chromosomes etc - I certainly agree with you when it comes to women's sports and so on, but a man who's had 'full surgery' in a female dressing room is to me very, very different to one who's not had anything done at all.

Totally agree with this.

Apparently 14 year olds are allowed into some/all branches unsupervised. (Age 10+ is supervised)

I’d be asking the management straight up if they’d be comfortable letting their 14 year old daughter into changing rooms where someone else gets their dick out.

Unfortunately the lefties of this world don't recognise the if Steven want to call herself Stephanie and wear makeup, female clothing the strut into a designated female space and say they identify as a female that's not comfortable for real females who find it intrusive.
Clothes, make up, body alterations do not make males female. Just a much as a female who has had a mastectomy can become male.
Chromosones can't be changed and that is what scientifically decides.
Personally I'd complain to management, report the exposure to the police and request my membership refund.

You should absolutely complain to the management. It should be absolutely clear that men are allowed to change in the women’s changing rooms so customers know in advance. I would not allow my teenage daughter into such a changing room nor would I use one myself. It’s their duty to make it clear, which they won’t want to do because they know it will put women and girls off. Everything has to be done under the radar and without consent.

From the UK Gov website regarding applying for a GRC:

" You can apply even if you have not had any gender affirming surgery or treatments, or you do not plan to have any.

So even if gym members do have GRCs, they are still likely to have the bodies of their sex.

Also Op, out of curiosity, do the changing rooms have locked cubicles available? Were there any free did you notice?

My swimming pool changing rooms are mixed sex but there are always enough lockable cubicles, and I don’t even feel comfortable showering in front of men in my swimwear, so I go home and shower.

That’s awful. I’ve just read on their website that they let kids as young as 10 join as well.

I would definitely be making a complaint, and asking for a refund.

And if they say they're "trans inclusive", what are the criteria for admitting males to female changing rooms?

Production of a GRC? Or simply the say-so of any male?

This.

Publicise it from the rooftops. The tide has turned, and Virgin are behind the bloody curve.

And yes to what Justme56 says. Ask Virgin if all their changing rooms are all now mixed sex. And if so, can they please make that quite clear, in order that people are forewarned before they arrive. Or join.

Has Maddy been on yet to tell us that she wouldn't be bothered?

(never fully understood what "stand" means in phrases like that...)

@MNHQ

Please have a serious review of your over-controlling deletion policy.

It's pee-ing us all off.

Hear hear.

@mnhq can you clearly explain why you’ve deleted some terminology and what the correct terminology should be in place of if?

I agree using a very vague and confusing ‘talk guidelines’ is not acceptable.

@MN I've just flicked through your Talk Guidelines and come across this:

" Mumsnet will always stand in solidarity with vulnerable or oppressed minorities. "
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This thread is about AN OPPRESSED GROUP (women and girls) IN A VULNERABLE PLACE (in a state of undress in a public changing room).

By deleting inoffensive posts from concerned posters on this thread, YOU ARE ACTUALLY BREAKING YOUR OWN GUIDELINES.

For a predominantly female site it loved sticking up for predatory men 🤷‍♀️

https://www.transgendertrend.com/transgender-terminology/

Are we allowed to use terms listed here?

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