virgin active changing room policy

Just realised it has already happened at David Lloyd, but thankfully not at my club yet, I suspect would have heard if there had been an incident.

It’s only a matter of time before this happens at David Lloyd (if it hasn’t already) and I too would make a huge fuss at reception. I like to think I would also confront the owner of the male genitals, but I’m not sure I’m brave enough.

This. Modify your body all you like. It doesn't change your sex and doesn't change the risk.

Sarah Jane Baker, ‘the punch a TERF ‘ convicted torturer and attempted murderer , now back in prison, has had full genital surgery,

Lauren Jeska , who is serving eighteen years for assaulting and nearly killing the man who investigated whether Lauren was qualified to run in women’s events, has had an orchiorectomy.

The person who was recently in the news at the swimming event re girls changing rooms, has had ‘sex reassignment surgery’ ( own words).

it’s no guarantee of welcome behaviour.

Ask for a hard copy of their changing room policy. It will likely say "we aim to balance the needs of all our members at club level". This has obviously not happened if you were shocked and distressed by the presence of a naked man in your female changing room. Women have the protection of our sex, gender critical beliefs and religious beliefs. Was it reasonable for you to believe that you had access to single sex facilities?

I was just looking for the email correspondence I had from them. Recently my virgin media emails were ‘lost’. Now restored, the ones from virgin active are now corrupt and can’t be read!

Surely this behaviour is what illegal -as a man is showing his genitals to females and exploring himself in public

Interesting. As virgin have signs about saying no boys over 8 in the womens so surely that would apply here.

Virgin - like Pure, David Lloyd (I believe) and others allow males who say they are women to use the ladies changing rooms. Funny how in all my many years using gyms I have very rarely seen a woman strut around bear-arsed baker and only one really flashing her bits (she was quite an odd lady) but it seems to becoming more common for other people to have their bits on display. Wonder why.

Men, so I have been told, don’t display their bits in mens changing rooms and loos as if they were prize growing marrows.

You need to complain. The more people that complain rather than silently putting up with it the more likely we can effect change.

Learnt something new there today @Clymene - thanks!

I was absolutely gutted. I had an amazing membership price which never increased. The safety of women and children was far more important to me though,

I don’t mind at all, the more that know the better.

Yes, it was. I hope you don't mind me quoting you, but it was a very important post and I wasn't sure whether you were still on MN or whether you would see this thread.

Whaaaat?

I don't believe I am reading this 😮

Whatever happened to 'womens' safe spaces ???

I think that was me. I’ve just responded on this thread too.

I left VA in 2020 after 14 years of membership. I asked if a male could identify as a woman and get their penis out in front of my daughters, head office confirmed they could. 4 memberships cancelled that day and I refused to pay any cancellation fees:

Does it pass the reasonableness test in terms of whether it caused distress.

The OP states:
Before I'm accused of staring, it was hard to miss as the person was right where you come out of the showers.

Is it reasonable to see a dick in the female changing?
No.

Is it reasonable to expect at least discretion from those who use the facilities?
Yes

Is this flashing then?
Hard to argue it's not deliberate. The etiquette for women tends to be to stay as covered as possible as a rule even amongst females.

Report.

It's a criminal offence with the presumption of innocence. It's up to the prosecution to prove intent beyond reasonable doubt.

It's curious how for David Lloyd on the one hand biological sex isn't obvious, but on the other hand "gendered appearance" is so obvious as to require no explanation or exemplification.

Where does the gendering of appearance begin and end? Clothing? Most women have jeans and t-shirts in their wardrobe. And many don't wear makeup. Where's the male-female distinction?

At what point did they decide that changing rooms should be segregated on the basis of gendered appearance rather than biological sex? And what is it about "gendered appearance" that requires segregation? Is there a risk from seeing makeup and clothing?

Unacceptable. Complain. If not satisfied leave. Make as many people aware as possuble- not just women

Indeed. I was just wondering how the gym would identify "genuine" TW. On what basis they'd challenge or exclude a man from using the female changing rooms if that's his stated preference.

In practice (and by definition) there's no filter. Women and girls are placed at the mercy of all men.

I'd get this all over Twitter OP let's see them publicly try and defend it.

I use David Lloyd @HardyEM and I'm keeping a close eye on the situation.

I lived out in the Middle East for a few years for work, and the only thing I miss is the female only spas. They were amazing.

This, the filthy perverted bastard.

Women and girls clearly don’t want to see a naked penis in the changing room

are there cubicles that you can change in or is it all just one big open room?