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Green Party Women's Declaration

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JulesJules · 04/08/2023 12:49

I just got an email from Green Party Women:

https://greenwomensdeclaration.uk/

Green Party Women's Declaration #ForWomenAndPlanet for women's sex based rights. Click through add your name to the declaration.

Green Women's Declaration

https://greenwomensdeclaration.uk

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LadyMary50 · 09/08/2023 18:46

Signed,I’m hoping this petition will bring about change in the Green Party and I will no longer be politically homeless..

fromorbit · 09/08/2023 13:04

Declaration has 735 signatures now.

Great article from Shahrar on his case and the Declaration.

The Greens are doing politics differently, but not in a good way

It is not transphobia that is the problem in our party but transphobia smear campaigns and their going unchecked. If my record in an institutionally biased system is anything to go by, the fact that I am still a member of good standing is testament to just how confected the weaponised complaints against me have been – that they would crumble under the sheer weight of cross-examination.

By contrast, I have had complaints upheld with consequence: three members suspended as a result of their transphobia smear campaigns, including an obsessive from the Scottish Green Party who used their rights as a joint member in an attempt to subdue me. Very senior Scottish Green politicians have also made representations about me to my own party.
https://www.holyrood.com/comment/view,the-greens-are-doing-politics-differently-but-not-in-a-good-way

Interesting there hasn't been that many attacks on the Declaration. I think the TRAs are quietly panicking. Hating anyone secular [religious people apparently are fine] that knows biology is real is not a position that can withstand scrutiny.

Every time their lies come have to be justified in an official account, even internally, they fail.

Twelve days till the first Court Case.

The Greens are doing politics differently, but not in a good way

Allegations of transphobia have been falsified and increasingly weaponised in an attempt to silence critics in the party...

https://www.holyrood.com/comment/view,the-greens-are-doing-politics-differently-but-not-in-a-good-way

cariadlet · 09/08/2023 00:58

One day! Maybe.

I do think that things are very slowly, very slightly changing.
I haven't seen much condemnation of the Declaration. Usual suspects have been quiet.

Instructions from leadership? Worries about the court cases?

Feministwoman · 09/08/2023 00:24

cariadlet · 08/08/2023 02:16

Any other founding signatories in here trying to see if they can guess who anyone is from their username?

I only know the Mumsnet username of one other GC Green and am very curious who else is in here.

But given the current state of the Green Party, none of us can publicly out ourselves!

Sadly, we can't.
Damning statement about our party, isn't it.

AtrociousCircumstance · 08/08/2023 19:46

Bump.

BezMills · 08/08/2023 11:34

I'm a long standing green member but I have wobbled on this issue. My local candidate is excellent on most things.

Bluowl · 08/08/2023 09:56

I've signed. Couldn't not. We just have to make a stand. Whatever party we are in or support, or not.

BezMills · 08/08/2023 08:33

I signed the declaration because "sex matters". The very next thing I did this morning was to sign up to Virgin Pulse which is some wellbeing thing my work has arranged and encourages us to subscribe to.

My gender identity
Female
Male
I do not identify as Male or Female
I prefer not to answer

I'm not going to pick Male, and therefore implicitly agree that Male is my gender identity. Is it fuck. It's my sex.

BezMills · 08/08/2023 08:25

Signed!

fromorbit · 08/08/2023 05:48

dinosuitcase · 06/08/2023 17:28

I've been a bit frustrated by the idea that women who are political party members leave their parties in order to make a stand; the greens positively welcomed that. It didn't make much dent in labour's membership.

It was probably worth it in the wep as there's so few of them but again, it means democracy and debate doesn't happen.

I actually have never been a political party member and I don't really do politics a great deal nor understand it, though this debate and issues in my profession force me to note more about how politics works.

I joined to help some fellow local green feminists with votes for various things; just a few extra votes can make a big difference.

I'm appalled at the state of the party and their actions; at the same time using their structures, debate and democracy is the only way to push back.

Another reason I care about the Green Party in particular is that I think younger voters over the never few years will choose the greens and so it's really important this the the party is more reasonable on this issue.

Being reasonable and recognising women's rights is also the only way the greens will begin to be taken seriously by the general voting public.

We have to take back the political parties. ALL of them. We can't easily recapture institutions like Universities but politics is what matters the most both at national and local level. Individual people can fight back by joining and mobilising at locally, online and national meetings in any and every party. The Greens despite their reputation as being ultra progressive, in fact offer what may be one of the best chance of fighting back because of the importance of democracy and free thinking in the green tradition and the party set up.

The Greens democratic structure meant it was impossible for TRAs to do their trick of capturing by brainwashing party elites ala SNP because the system is set up for free thinking and debate. A few hundred new members who turned up, even just to online events, would wreck TRA capture and may even trigger mass flight.

cariadlet · 08/08/2023 02:16

Any other founding signatories in here trying to see if they can guess who anyone is from their username?

I only know the Mumsnet username of one other GC Green and am very curious who else is in here.

But given the current state of the Green Party, none of us can publicly out ourselves!

Feministwoman · 08/08/2023 01:53

cariadlet · 04/08/2023 20:22

There were over 150 founding signatories - quite an achievement considering it all had to be done in secrecy.
Many more have signed since the website, petition and Twitter account all went live earlier today

I'm proud to be one of the founding signatories as well!

cariadlet · 07/08/2023 13:00

Now on 537 signatures!

AtrociousCircumstance · 06/08/2023 18:12

Bump.

dinosuitcase · 06/08/2023 17:28

I've been a bit frustrated by the idea that women who are political party members leave their parties in order to make a stand; the greens positively welcomed that. It didn't make much dent in labour's membership.

It was probably worth it in the wep as there's so few of them but again, it means democracy and debate doesn't happen.

I actually have never been a political party member and I don't really do politics a great deal nor understand it, though this debate and issues in my profession force me to note more about how politics works.

I joined to help some fellow local green feminists with votes for various things; just a few extra votes can make a big difference.

I'm appalled at the state of the party and their actions; at the same time using their structures, debate and democracy is the only way to push back.

Another reason I care about the Green Party in particular is that I think younger voters over the never few years will choose the greens and so it's really important this the the party is more reasonable on this issue.

Being reasonable and recognising women's rights is also the only way the greens will begin to be taken seriously by the general voting public.

cariadlet · 06/08/2023 17:25

452 signatures now! We need to keep sharing.

If anyone here is a member of GPW and wants to share experiences of discrimination because of their GC views, then you can email GPW up to the end of August.

If anyone is worried about confidentiality (because a couple of the committee are TRAs), then email the GPW Secretary directly.
Email addresses are in recent emails from GPW.

dinosuitcase · 06/08/2023 17:21

Name changed:

As we know they are terrible at open debate because it exposes their lies so they had to resort to intimidation and abuse of party rules to ostracise people.

Payback is coming.

It definitely is!

I stood for a volunteer role within the local party mainly as there wasn't anyone else bar who was already there and as a neutral candidatenot screaming about lgbtqI+ I won the vote. So clearly a few hundred local greens wanted someone who wasn't banging that drum.

It's got a very democratic structure, we just need more members and more votes would swing.

I didn't attend the recent online meeting when women aired a number of issues and experiences with being silenced for their views but the sheer number who did attend and speak up is very reassuring.

Bluowl · 06/08/2023 17:09

Yes, it is frustrating! But burying head in sand won't work in the long run. Where I am the local party is falling apart, because some tried to pretend it wasn't happening. Things can change though, and this petition is helping.

fromorbit · 06/08/2023 12:42

First article on the Declaration in the Spectator and it is a good one lots of quotes from key women involved:

Imogen Makepeace, a Lewes District Green party councillor echoed that view: ‘Committed GPEW members, like Alison Teal and Emma Bateman, passionate and dedicated to action on climate change, are being all too frequently disenfranchised from their party. This is a bizarre, Kafkaesque situation in what’s supposed to be an open and democratic party.’

Are the Greens more interested in trans rights than saving the planet?
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/are-the-greens-more-interested-in-trans-rights-than-saving-the-planet/

Prospects for retaking the Greens are good. With the upcoming court cases proving the sexism in the Greens and the coverups like in the Challenor case are going to be a game changer. Neutral people will gradually flip over. Especially as the court cases will make the Greens look bad in the run up to the election.

The Greens are the only party on the left/centre where the official Women's group actually knows what women are and is fighting to defend them. This gives a solid base for expansion.

Gender crit motions have come close to passing at conference.

With an influx of new committed members along with converts there is every indication that gender crits can gain more power in the party. It won't even take many. I think some motions only failed by hundreds of votes.

Key point - the biggest weakness of TRAs is their fanaticism. The Scottish Greens breakaway from GPEW is a great example of this. Gender crit people simply existing drives them crazy. We need to focus on rebranding the Greens as a party full of gender critical people. More and more TRAs will simply leave.

The democratic nature of the Greens structure meant that the authoritarian tactics used by TRAs to take over other parties could not work. They always faced resistance and they found it difficult to discuss and debate. As we know they are terrible at open debate because it exposes their lies so they had to resort to intimidation and abuse of party rules to ostracise people.

Payback is coming.

Are the Greens more interested in trans rights than saving the planet?

Those who fail to toe the line on gender risk being given the boot from the Green party. But shouldn't they focus instead on climate change?

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/are-the-greens-more-interested-in-trans-rights-than-saving-the-planet

AtrociousCircumstance · 06/08/2023 11:39

Bump. Get signing! 💪🏼

WarriorN · 06/08/2023 07:32

400 is brilliant!

There are many, many women (and men) in the greens who absolutely know what a woman is and abhor this authoritarianism.

Some do still need to be quiet on the matter due to the level of their role, which is a big issue. The more members who aren't in those roles who are voting with their vote buttons and joining the discussions, the better.

cariadlet · 06/08/2023 01:54

MsFogi · 05/08/2023 22:17

I wonder if we can look forward to the Women's Equality Party thinking about women's sex based rights at some point.....I'm not holding my breath.

@WEPWomen is the Twitter handle for WEP Women's Sex Based Rights Caucus - a group that remembers why WEP was set up in the first place.

cariadlet · 06/08/2023 01:51

ArabeIIaScott · 05/08/2023 12:09

If the wider membership were aware of what has been going on I think they'd be shocked.

People within a party are often cautious about sharing bad behaviour to avoid damaging the cause.

One of the problems is that people are involved with their local Party and bury their heads in the sand. They don't want to hear what is going on.

I'm in a WhatsApp chat group for my local Green Party. I mention things occasionally such as what happened to Alison Teal or a recent resignation from one of the National committees but whenever I do, one of the other members (who happens to have different views from me about sex and gender) wants to shut the conversation down because I am being negative and sapping morale.

Nobody else wants conflict so they go along with him for a quiet life. It's very frustrating.

ArabeIIaScott · 05/08/2023 22:43

400!

MsFogi · 05/08/2023 22:17

I wonder if we can look forward to the Women's Equality Party thinking about women's sex based rights at some point.....I'm not holding my breath.

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