This is just vile NHS again

we were in soft play the other day, the toilets are for male and female, my friends 8 year old came out and said a man had been chatting to her in there had handed her paper towels , her mum was worried but you know this is how people want it to be and it is worrying.

And it's from a political lobby that not only has no care for women and is actively prejudiced against them in the interests of men, but has extremist wings that openly believe in and advocate for punching, beating and raping women, and exort crowds in the street to do so.

Taxpayers are funding this.

I'm sure you've seen the US rowing rules where men are 'women' if they are rowing against women, but if it is a mixed sex race then they count as men because it wouldn't be fair to discriminate against the men in the mixed sex team.

It's unbelievable, isn't it. This isn't just a movement (movement HQ, not person, please note) that happens to abuse women. The very concept of womanhood is entirely necessary to it. Its followers require women to utilise every fucking step of the way.

Women's existence is the reason for it.

They are its target, and the means by which it sustains itself.

From taking their achievements, to validation, to fetishisation.

Exactly

It's like asking the KKK to write the BAME employees policy.

is exactly what it's like. Men wanting to use women for their own purposes are being asked to write the policy designed to allow it.

i bet Kath means they consulted the LGBTQ+ networks & the unions. I doubt the NHS even has a network for actual women to consult - all the ones I’ve seen are for anyone who identifies as a woman

Right I want to know what Wes Streeting and Annaliese Dodds have to say about this. Hold their feet to the fire. Will they condemn this unequivocally?

Quite.

If It doesn't matter, then men can stay in their own toilets, in their own private cubicles. 🙄

I see that spokesperson Kath Griffin says that this illegal and discriminatory policy was decided upon, after consultation with staff and unions.

It's well known that NHS unions are onboard with TWAW.

I wonder how few staff members were consulted? A small number of vocal activists, or everyone?

OldCrone

On another forum, Kucinghitam often used the term "sex realist," which I think is quite apt.

Get the sharpies out

Ask Stonewall and the TRAs. We were all perfectly happy to have single-sex spaces. They're the ones who think it matters so much the rights, safety, privacy and dignity of half the population should be removed.

I've name changed because this is revealing but I'm scared in mixed toilets, I'm bloody 40 and I get quite nervous, I suffered childhood assault and as a teen was wanked at in an enclosed space and flashed at as well. And yes I know every man is not like that but how can you tell.

This.
And I'd add that GC women recognise that it is not up to them to turn single sex spaces into mixed sex just because they do not feel unsafe/uncomfortable.

I’d say it’s very likely to be coming from there

Bloody hell what can we do?

Loads of quotes saying why this is bad. Will they scrap the guide and redo?

We are losing here. The law needs to help us out. These Trusts and institutions are riding over women’s rights.

Quite. They even say it aloud. I had a friend fully signed up to this shit who would just say ‘ ‘well I don’t care about being naked in front of a man’. Implication being no other woman should either.

Actually she was lying. I know damn well before all of this she would have been spitting furious if a man entered a changing room whilst she was naked. She was just now pretending that she wouldn’t. Like this movements tells ‘girls’ they need to, to be good.

The example you have given of US rowing is an example of how this ideology is only affecting women, because the men are making sure it doesn’t affect them.

Its not that the men can’t see that women are being disadvantaged by letting males in women’s sports, they see that very well, it’s just that they just don’t care.

You are talking like it’s just a coincidence this movement disproportionately affects women. It’s not. The men understand how it affects us. They just don’t care. As the rowing case shows, they would care very much if it affected them negatively. This movement would have never taken hold if it affected men the way it’s affecting women.

Equality and inclusivity for everyone but women.

It doesn’t matter how many times you tell some people why it DOES matter, when in their heads they instantly replace those reasons with, “Well, it doesn’t matter to ME.”

@OldCrone , it’s not my definition it’s taken from the Oxford English Dictionary. I completely agree we need a clearer one as I think a great many people hold GC views without actually realising it.

And here is an example of another group of women who are excluded from the groups considered under equality and diversity - survivors of male sexual violence. I have a friend who due to this absolutely cannot use mixed sex toilets.

There are many women who for many reasons cannot use mixed sex toilets and many more women, who even if they have not been assaulted, have had enough experiences of aggressive, intimidating and sexually harassing men not to want men in spaces where they feel vulnerable.

You’re in a private cubicle, why does it matter

Try thinking about why a woman or young girl might come out of a private cubicle into a small space (such as a woman's toilet) and not want to find a man in there. Try really hard.