KJK - big win

Trans issues..

It’s women’s rights we’re trying to protect

If you say you’ll let males into female spaces gladly due to some violent men turning up - although remind me who punched the 70 year woman old in the face? I bet that doesn’t matter as much to you otherwise it would be front of mind and a priority

• then no you’re not ‘GC as they come’. You’re ready to give up rights far too quickly

Trans issues shouldn't be a left/right issue. It has become that though with the far right jumping on it. I'm left leaning, this is very off putting to me. The right has historically been on the wrong side of history on issues like gay rights, anti racism, and women's rights, even now, the right is more racist anti gay etc. Although with trans rights it baffles me how the Tories (the party first suggesting self ID) seem to get a completely free pass on this and is seen as some sort of champion for women, as far as I can see nothing could be further from the truth. The Tories have driven much of this and presided over the whole sorry mess. Never mind the wider price women have paid for Tory rule in terms of poverty and practically making rape legal.

Anyway, jump on me all you like but the connection between this issue and the far right is very off putting for left leaning women like me. Oh, and I'm a member of a political party on the left, I don't keep my TWANW views quiet, I am very vocal about it and there are loads who agree with me and are also not quiet.

But, I would welcome trans people with open arms into women's spaces to protect them from Nazi's.

What's the stop the Nazis from coming in after them? By that logic, you've got women hating trans activists, and trans hating Nazis.

All in the ladies 🙄

Hardly.

🙄

you say pile on, I say your post was poorly thought out with several logical errors and people pointed that out

potato / potato

Yes your post wasn’t convincing and many saw the issues with it

It happens

Although I take it you won’t look at why it’s so poorly thought out

I knew there'd be a pile on.

pope has a point also.

If the lies have been constantly supported by others, including feminists and media, it becomes self fulfilling in a way. I am not sure though just how many times Kellie Jay and the Melbourne organisers can say 'they are nothing to do with us' for it to stop being treated as truth. In the meantime, if neo-nazi groups turn up uninvited, and not able to be stopped, they will either come because they have been led to believe they are welcome or they will come as per their original intention - to harass the extremist protestors who are also 'attracted' to the women's events.

The logic is that any neo-nazi turning up at a women's event is just as 'attracted' as Antifa and the rest of them. What is the difference between neo-nazis turning up to hold their protest and Antifa and any other extremist group?

It the risk of being piled on, the fact these events, and the views underpinning them, attract the support and agreement of neonazis really worries me.

If a prominent person kept lying and saying various events had Nazi salutes and were anti-minorities, do you think those events might start attracting neonazis?

They go where they can be violent and aggressive.

Actual Gender Critical Left - a facebook group that discusses gender issues, mostly from a US perspective, and does a lot of character assassinations of women they disagree with, last time I looked. Not a very sisterly place.

actual gender critical left

a group of facebook weirdos whose raison d'etre seems to be making increasingly wild claims about KJK

we've had occasional visits from them here. they're invariably extremely odd

But, I would welcome trans people with open arms into women's spaces to protect them from Nazi's.

If you'd welcome men into women's spaces you're not 'as gender critical as they come.'

I meant what is AGCL?

😂 Well spotted

What isn’t AGCL?

man alive, who forgot to put down the salt circle? I will check you know

*apologise

Annoyingly they still didn't correct the fact that they called it an 'anti-trans' event - eh, no, it's called 'Let Women Speak', it's a women's event.

I wonder if all the people who frothed on here about what a horrible nazi bigot she was (I seem to remember lots of threads about it) a few months ago will come back and apologies....probably not.

Oh. And in Melbourne, those men never once stopped and listened to the women. The women were simply the resources they utilised to get access to the inner area through what must have been lies (I suggest that the son of an acting policeman knew just what to say to get access to that area).

The women attending the events and the women's speeches were completely irrelevant to those Neo-nazis. Those Neo-nazis would no doubt turn up to any outdoor unticketed event that Antifa and the Victorian Socialist Party were present. That was their aim. Never to support the women or the women's messages.

*Filia
*Nazis - no apostrophe needed for a plural.
*'the fact these events, and the views underpinning them, attract the support and agreement of neonazis' - that's not a fact, it's bullshit.

HTH.

kendodd I know you have been posting on this board for a long time.

Are you worried about the safety aspect or are you worried about the guilt by association?

Do you think though that Nazis are attracted to these events? Can you please tell us which Nazis have come and where and why you say they are 'attracted' to the events?

Do you mean attracted to come and listen, or attracted to provoke Antifa and other extremist protestors who choose to protest the women's events?

Because if you are talking about the Melbourne event, those men came and spent more than half their time down the end of the closed off section interacting with the Victorian Socialist Party and Antifa. THAT was why they were there. They were NOT there to support women!

What other neo-nazis have attended Let Women Speak, or any other women's events? You say you have been to Filia. If Neo-nazis came to provoke the Antifa and the extremist protestors that might turn up to Filia next conference, do you think they were there to attend Filia or to provoke the protestors who they are diametrically opposed to politically? and what do you think any women's event organisers can do other than what they are doing, training women up to be stewards (ridiculous to think this is needed even!!) and having police protection?

At this point, after the last decade of this relentless nonsense, I don't know what to expect!

Looks like we accidentally summoned up the AGCL 😂

You are expecting logic?