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h1d1ng1npla1ns1ght · 2023-08-02T02:25:05+00:00

I’m so sick of having to say “no I’m not seeing it”, “but you’re a feminist, you know it’s a feminist movie!” “I’m not that kind of feminist.” I don’t care about barbie and I don’t think it’s an appropriate medium for a feminist message, even ironically. I’m sure it’s a good movie, I’m sure it’s very feminist FOR a barbie movie. I have no interest in it. I’ve been called a bad feminist for not seeing a movie about a symbol of female oppression and body dysmorphia. I don’t care if “barbie can do anything she wants”, I’m a real woman in the real world and I can barely walk down the street safely. I don’t care if they have a slightly overweight barbie, a disabled barbie, a doctor/lawyer/farmer barbie, it’s not good enough. I have no desire to hear a feminist message from barbie’s mouth, nor defend my feminism against it. I get that for some people it’s just a movie about a doll and they don’t care, that’s fine. But it means something actively negative to me. Can anyone either commiserate or help me to come around to the idea?

StrawberryWasp · 02/08/2023 17:50

WildUnchartedWaters · 02/08/2023 17:44

Calling a trans women a man is transphobic. , @StrawberryWasp
If you would therefore call a trans man a woman, you are stripping a woman of her rights.
I appreciate not all will agree with me on the twaw but you absolutely cannot call them men.

I love the attempt to tell me what I can and cannot say.
That's a No.

That time has passed. You are 5 years too late.

WildUnchartedWaters · 02/08/2023 17:49

If you look for things to be offended by, yes.

StrawberryWasp · 02/08/2023 17:47

WildUnchartedWaters · 02/08/2023 17:44

Calling a trans women a man is transphobic. , @StrawberryWasp
If you would therefore call a trans man a woman, you are stripping a woman of her rights.
I appreciate not all will agree with me on the twaw but you absolutely cannot call them men.

I can.
I do.
I will.
And I will continue to.

I reject your accusation if 'transphobia', I couldn't care less if you beleive it.

Because trans women are men.
And yes trans men are women.

WildUnchartedWaters · 02/08/2023 17:47

twelly · 02/08/2023 17:43

It is possible to employ either a male or female, someone of a particular ethnic background or someone who does not have a specific disability for some jobs. For example there jobs where you need to be able to see - which automatically rules out those who are blind. There are acting roles where they require someone to be a particular race or sex, just as a school can in some cases advertise for a female or male PE teacher.
I think this role is case where they should have only cast females

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Yes but in this case they didnt need to be a particular race. They're mythical dolls fs.

SquirrelSoShiny · 02/08/2023 17:47

PaterPower · 02/08/2023 08:16

The doctor barbie are you imply she was portrayed by a trans person. ? I didn't notice.

I’m a little surprised at that. The actor was jarringly obvious (and not a good actor either, tbh). Possibly the most risible bit was the implication that ‘she’ needed to be deprogrammed alongside the female barbies.

This. The male playing a Female was extremely obvious in every way.

TheClogLady · 02/08/2023 17:47

WildUnchartedWaters · 02/08/2023 17:44

Calling a trans women a man is transphobic. , @StrawberryWasp
If you would therefore call a trans man a woman, you are stripping a woman of her rights.
I appreciate not all will agree with me on the twaw but you absolutely cannot call them men.

You may believe that correctly recognising (and naming) a person’s sex is transphobia but UK equality law states otherwise.

WildUnchartedWaters · 02/08/2023 17:46

TheClogLady · 02/08/2023 17:44

your assertion that there are ‘thousands’ of trans suicides.

That’s an incredibly irresponsible claim to make.

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Sorry, I should have been clearer. I meant men.

TheClogLady · 02/08/2023 17:44

WildUnchartedWaters · 02/08/2023 17:43

Of?

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your assertion that there are ‘thousands’ of trans suicides.

That’s an incredibly irresponsible claim to make.

WildUnchartedWaters · 02/08/2023 17:44

Calling a trans women a man is transphobic. , @StrawberryWasp
If you would therefore call a trans man a woman, you are stripping a woman of her rights.
I appreciate not all will agree with me on the twaw but you absolutely cannot call them men.

twelly · 02/08/2023 17:43

WildUnchartedWaters · 02/08/2023 17:33

They couldnt win that. Doctor barbie was cast with no mention in the film of it, yet people are claiming there was an agenda.

Are you suggesting hari should have been turned down based on her gender?theres a word for that.

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It is possible to employ either a male or female, someone of a particular ethnic background or someone who does not have a specific disability for some jobs. For example there jobs where you need to be able to see - which automatically rules out those who are blind. There are acting roles where they require someone to be a particular race or sex, just as a school can in some cases advertise for a female or male PE teacher.
I think this role is case where they should have only cast females

WildUnchartedWaters · 02/08/2023 17:43

TheClogLady · 02/08/2023 17:41

Citation please.

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Of?

TheClogLady · 02/08/2023 17:41

WildUnchartedWaters · 02/08/2023 17:30

How do you know anyone is anyone in any film?

FWIW, it definitely was because while they are regularly mocked and assaulted on films and tv shows, they are committing suicide in their thousands. Yet to see a film or tv show highlighting that (that is more aimed at the poster who thought we should focus on biological female issues).

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Citation please.

StrawberryWasp · 02/08/2023 17:40

WildUnchartedWaters · 02/08/2023 17:32

No they're either women (imo,) or trans women.
Your statement is transphobic.

They had a black barbie, a wheelchair barbie, a bigger barbie, erc etc. Could you imagine I wrote in a public forum I wouldnt have gone to see if I knew there was a disabled barbie?

I'd have quite liked to see a trans man barbie personally but hed be a woman to you I assume?

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We are choosing to use language differently.

Only men can be trans women, and trans women are men.

Women are not and cannot be men.

It's not transphobic it's just a fact. Nothing worng with being a man.

StrawberryWasp · 02/08/2023 17:38

WildUnchartedWaters · 02/08/2023 17:30

How do you know anyone is anyone in any film?

FWIW, it definitely was because while they are regularly mocked and assaulted on films and tv shows, they are committing suicide in their thousands. Yet to see a film or tv show highlighting that (that is more aimed at the poster who thought we should focus on biological female issues).

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We know 99% of the time because men and women look different even if they dress the same.

risefromyourgrave · 02/08/2023 17:37

WildUnchartedWaters · 02/08/2023 17:26

Not a man then as regularly stated throughout this thread. And pronouns she.

Thanks for the picture though.

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Yes, a man, transwomen are men with XY chromosomes and man bodies and everything.

I’m glad I could provide you with a picture, would have thought you could get your own though, what with you being on the internet and all.

StrawberryWasp · 02/08/2023 17:35

Presumably a Trans Barbie is a Ken doll with Barbie's clothes on, and who got some tits added?

If no one has reproductive function there's only arbitary changable gender left. Or I guess Ken has a more chiselled jaw than Barbie so you'd still be able to tell?

What makes Barbie's different from the Kens? about from clothes?

WildUnchartedWaters · 02/08/2023 17:33

twelly · 02/08/2023 17:31

No a woman was not playing the doctor - which I think is disappointing as the film really showed two genders male and female. There was not mention of moving between genders/sex - which I believe is not possible so the film as far as that is concerned followed the truth. The casting of the dr really shows that the real world is where the problem is!

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They couldnt win that. Doctor barbie was cast with no mention in the film of it, yet people are claiming there was an agenda.

Are you suggesting hari should have been turned down based on her gender?theres a word for that.

WildUnchartedWaters · 02/08/2023 17:32

StrawberryWasp · 02/08/2023 17:29

Trans women are men.

I don't think it had a trans agenda, I just think it's superficial feminism inadrvertently conflates with trans iedology.

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No they're either women (imo,) or trans women.
Your statement is transphobic.

They had a black barbie, a wheelchair barbie, a bigger barbie, erc etc. Could you imagine I wrote in a public forum I wouldnt have gone to see if I knew there was a disabled barbie?

I'd have quite liked to see a trans man barbie personally but hed be a woman to you I assume?

twelly · 02/08/2023 17:31

WildUnchartedWaters · 02/08/2023 17:21

There wasn't. There was a woman playing the doctor.

Funnily enough the director wouldnt have been able to exclude them from the part due to their gender. I'm sure theres a word for that.

In glad the trans person didnt ruin your enjoyment of the film 🙄

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No a woman was not playing the doctor - which I think is disappointing as the film really showed two genders male and female. There was not mention of moving between genders/sex - which I believe is not possible so the film as far as that is concerned followed the truth. The casting of the dr really shows that the real world is where the problem is!

WildUnchartedWaters · 02/08/2023 17:30

StrawberryWasp · 02/08/2023 17:27

How do we knoe Ken is ahe and Dr is a Barbie? Because of their clothes?

If there is no sex or reproduction in Barbie Land there is just gender based on what you wear.

The men were irrelevant idiots and yes it's a parody.

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How do you know anyone is anyone in any film?

FWIW, it definitely was because while they are regularly mocked and assaulted on films and tv shows, they are committing suicide in their thousands. Yet to see a film or tv show highlighting that (that is more aimed at the poster who thought we should focus on biological female issues).

StrawberryWasp · 02/08/2023 17:29

WildUnchartedWaters · 02/08/2023 17:26

Not a man then as regularly stated throughout this thread. And pronouns she.

Thanks for the picture though.

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Trans women are men.

I don't think it had a trans agenda, I just think it's superficial feminism inadrvertently conflates with trans iedology.

StrawberryWasp · 02/08/2023 17:27

WildUnchartedWaters · 02/08/2023 17:22

Ken is a he. Doctor is a barbie

And she didnt treat men like irrelevant idiots at all the whole thing is a parody

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How do we knoe Ken is ahe and Dr is a Barbie? Because of their clothes?

If there is no sex or reproduction in Barbie Land there is just gender based on what you wear.

The men were irrelevant idiots and yes it's a parody.

WildUnchartedWaters · 02/08/2023 17:26

StrawberryWasp · 02/08/2023 17:23

Stop what?

I'm offering an interpretaion of a film.

I think it was more about oppression of feminine people rather than females.
Highlighted at the end by Barbie finally going to the gynecologist.

What do you want me to stop?

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Pretending it had some trans agenda. Complete and utter nonsense.

WildUnchartedWaters · 02/08/2023 17:26

risefromyourgrave · 02/08/2023 17:23

Nope, definitely a transwoman.
https://www.them.us/story/hari-nef-barbie-trans-representation/amp

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Not a man then as regularly stated throughout this thread. And pronouns she.

Thanks for the picture though.

risefromyourgrave · 02/08/2023 17:23

WildUnchartedWaters · 02/08/2023 17:21

There wasn't. There was a woman playing the doctor.

Funnily enough the director wouldnt have been able to exclude them from the part due to their gender. I'm sure theres a word for that.

In glad the trans person didnt ruin your enjoyment of the film 🙄

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Nope, definitely a transwoman.
https://www.them.us/story/hari-nef-barbie-trans-representation/amp

Hari Nef Says the <em>Barbie</em> Movie Contains a Powerful Message for Trans Women

Nef says the film is about “living your life and being in your body your way, on your own terms.”

https://www.them.us/story/hari-nef-barbie-trans-representation/amp