Barbie

I couldn’t agree more OP and I hate the way Mattel have got away with it. The humour in the film is also lame in the extreme.

I saw it and it was a movie about Ken’s identity crisis. Barbie was just there looking nice.
He even had a dance number, which was fun.

It should have been called Ken.

If it has been about femaleoppression it would have covered puberty, periods, shame, rape, fear of male violence, abortion, contaception, pregnancy, beastfeeding, raising children.

I agree with this. These are feminist issues, whereas the worrying over whether whether you are attractive enough/whether mean women will get jealous of you/ whether you're seen as a supportive/non supportive boss etc. seems more connected with feminine presentation. I don't know if I have explained that well, but I reject this film as anything but advertising and entertainment.

@WildUnchartedWaters Was just wondering if you’d missed my question about what rights trans people don’t have? Just that you’ve answered posts after it but ignored mine? I know when a lot of people are quoting you it can be a bit of a nightmare trying to keep up with what you’ve replied to and what you haven’t.

😂😂

See it or don't see it OP no one actually cares. I don't plan on seeing Oppenheimer because I will find it disturbing and upsetting but I haven't started a thread to slag it off

I didnt know either.

I dont remember all the fuss in the little mermaid when Ursula was miscast :(

Ah, well I wouldn't have even known that if I hadn't read this thread.

Either way, it is cringeworthy reading such strong opinions on a film that op hasn't even seen! Thoroughly missing the point, the film isn't about women can be whatever they want. That is a given in Barbie world and not part of the story line.

* There’s something about how as a mother you stop your life to let your children go out into the future or somesuch which I disliked immensely.*-

My life career etc is on hold with kids - but that's. Me ?

Yep it’s easy for a man to prove he’s a feminist by liking a film. Do they do half the housework and caring in their families? Do they lobby for equal pay? They do ? Fabulous .

Isn’t one of the jokes in the film that Ken can’t believe a woman in the real world could be a doctor? Then the film doubles down on his misogyny by... hiring a male to play Doctor Barbie!

No it isn't

That was one of my fav bits the doctor scene- v sharply well written and acted- and funny !!

Another great bit was elderly lady being told she was beautiful by Barbie and her reply was " I know it"
Lots and lots. Of absolutely cracking one liners and too many thought provoking for one viewing only
I cried at one point and laughed out loud twice which us something I never do to even the funniest films

I have heartily recommended it to everyone as freshest film for years

Bit daft to be sooooooo angry about something you haven't seen
Watch it on the black market iTunes if you don't want to pay to see it - but I think you have made your mind up

Maybe the men you know are being rude and should be told to stop

Dont set them off again. Theres a trans woman barbie.

My feminist 38 yr old DD has seen it and recommended it to me, her feminist mother. Other DD reminds me I never bought them Barbie dolls when they were kids! I'm seeing the film tomorrow. OP no one is making you see the film so you do you.

How gracious of you.

What? I saw it this morning and there aren't any male Barbies.

What rights do trans people not have please?

No they have the same rights too.
Hooray 😊!!!

I'm bowing out of this silly exchange now so those who want to talk Barbie can continue to if they'd like.

I didnt. Your statement is.

You can.

And I can not care if you call me names .

Except trans people it seems.

Incorrect if theyve transitioned.

That said, current law is that racism and homophobia is so if the victim believes it to be. I hope I see a generation that applies to trans too in the case where people flatly use the wrong term.

People can do what they like.
I can say what I like.

Everyone has the same rights.

Stating that a man places one of the female Barbie dolls is a fact its not phobic

You can say whatever you like, just as I can point its transphobic.

I’ve seen it, it’s alright. The feminism is very confused and watered down, it definitely loses its way when they come back out of the real world. There’s something about how as a mother you stop your life to let your children go out into the future or somesuch which I disliked immensely.

it’s a hit movie with a female director and main role and it does pay lip service to feminism so I feel like I should support it. But I came away with the message that women are responsible for breaking the patriarchy by deprogramming themselves and men will go along with whatever they feel will make their lives easier, which doesn’t feel very feminist to me, but does feel very American 😁

I mean you can make transphobic statements then say you're not your choice.

So you support womens rights but only if they make choices you approve of. I see.