Barbie

@kikigen

I don't know if it's an age thing. I felt upset and a little bit angry at the struggle we go through as women I'm 37. My nieces definitely felt vindicated and like the movie proved a point they had been trying to make? They haven't stopped talking about it and everytime they talk about it get confident all over again and quite emboldened in their conversations not backing down to their brother and dad etc, arguing back where as normally they would give up.

For me it's so good to see, I'm a lesbian so there isn't many instances in my life where I have to listen to the opinions of men and pretend to care. So when I see my nieces talking back and making sure they are heard I burst with pride.

to be fair, they're not portrayed well. And the Mattel staff are all unlikeable (except for the tanktop guy from Sex Education - he's sweet)

ha, ask your male friends if they are feminists? did they dress in pink and go see the movie?

agree with OP. i'm tired being preached to by big corporations pretending to be "good". a fun story and laughs would be fine.

But the issue is not with the film its with the male friends presuming to dictate to you. The film itself is irrelevant to this behaviour.

I've seen the film. I never had Barbies as a child, my DC had some and sometimes played with them but no more than with other toys and like most children - Weird Barbie was a feature. My adult DC persuaded me to join them and I found it funny, pointed and silly. It was better than I expected, but it won't be in my best ever films list.

Doctor Barbie did stand out despite the work. The voice was "wrong" and the adam's apple was a bit of a giveaway. I had a bit of an eye roll but in contemporary Hollywood it wasn't surprising to see a TW in a role based on a 1950s idealised woman.

OTOH Barbie is famously shaped by plastics, not a real woman and devoid of a vagina - a point the film makes quite effectively but would be a spoiler to explain here.

I was interested in the audience for the film. Its been out for a while and I was vaguely assuming the audience would be young girls and teens but it was much more mixed including plenty of boys and young men.

I really enjoyed Barbie, it was hilarious and explicitly feminist. I think the marketing has been clever, as I was expecting it to be fun and kitsch but not have central plot points about patriarchy, the male gaze and consciousness raising. I think it’s a positive thing that this satire about patriarchy will make a billion dollars and be seen by so many women (and men). But you know, just don’t go if you don’t want to - it’s not compulsory.

Oh Little Women was amazing 😍
I went on a Monday afternoon to see it by myself. Took lunch and chocolate. It was the biggest screen in the complex, and there were 8 people total there, inc me. It was such a fabulous couple of hours.

While the point could have been slightly more elegantly made (the word “patriarchy “ was repeated to the point of gibberish) I honestly felt this was the first film I’ve seen deliberately exploring feminist thought since The Love Witch.

I also feel very happy about the fact the biggest movie in the world is not some teenage male robot film but a film directed at 40 year old women. When Barbie realised it was America Ferrera she was looking for and not the little girl, that was for us ladies.

It’s not 100% perfect but to me it comes dangerously close. In fact I don’t think I’ve enjoyed a film in the cinema so much since Gerwig’s previous film, Little Women!

I’m a real woman in the real world

Not....a barbie girl in a barbie world? 😂😂😂

Yes I remember that too. It would be interesting to hear her explanation of the film

Just to point out that under the EA the comparator for a transwoman is another man. Not a woman. Transwomen have all the same rights to freedom from discrimination as other men have, and rightly so.

👍

I don't care what you think.

You were talking about me again and misrepresenting (or I'm now inclined to presume lying) about our interaction. You didn't ask 'repeatedly'.

If you continue to say untrue things about me I might well respond.

I was talking to clymene to defend myself as I thought it was amusing she has accused me of bullying when you have once again proven you have gone on and on and on at me across pages.

No need for you to get involved as shes not referring to this interaction, she has a personal issue with me that she brings to every thread
Ironic she talks about threads being ruined when I think it's clear who's done that.

I have not harassed you I have clarified my point when you have misrepresented it, which I am quite entitled to do.

As you have worked out but seem unable to do: stop quoting me and I'll stop responding.

You have not asked me to stop several times. Only once. Another misrepresentation.

Stop talking about me and misrepresenting me and I'll have no need to respond.

It's very silly of you to think you can keep on referring to me and just ask me not to respond. Why would I agree to that?

It's just that you alwyas seem to pop up just to make these little statements but contribute nothing yourself.

By hectoring, can I clarify you mean bullying? As in persistent harassment?

You mean like a PP who I disagreed with several pages back who went on and on and on to the point i asked them to stop several times?

The rest of your post is just offensive and nonsense. I'm sorry if my calling out of transphobia has ruined your nice evening browsing mumsnet, contributing nothing but just popping up to 'hector' me once in a while.

It's really quite personal and unfair.

In assuming you mean by me but is that the sole entirety of your contribution? You seem to just pop up on threads I'm on to do sad face comments and then disappear. I've yet to see you contribute anything. Is this still because I upset you months ago?

I was reading the thread. I haven't seen the film yet but was enjoying the debate. And then it turned into the @WildUnchartedWaters hectoring show.

I don't know what your engagement is like in real life but online it feels like being shouted at by the drunken fighty bloke in the pub who won't shut up. It's not enjoyable to read.

And no, it's nothing to do with you upsetting me months ago. It's an observation.

Goodo.

Itd be hard to misquote you as you've dominated the thread with the same posts.
I wont be misquoting you though as I will no longer be responding to any of your posts, transphobic or otherwise.

Yeh I'm as bored by this as everyone.
But if you misquote me again, I'll state my position again.

Your choice.

Please stop.

In assuming you mean by me but is that the sole entirety of your contribution? You seem to just pop up on threads I'm on to do sad face comments and then disappear. I've yet to see you contribute anything. Is this still because I upset you months ago?

Another interesting thread ruined

Yes and I hope it's clear I don't care.

I'm not trying to persuade you I'm clarifying your misrepresentation/ misunderstanding of my point.

I disagreed with you before, I disagree with you now, and however many times you repeat your statement I will still think its transphobic. I hope that's clear.