If you're non-binary...

No, you're still missing it.

I am told I am gender non conforming - does that make me non binary??? I have no idea

No. Using stereotypes which I'm going to ignore any questions about because I'm not Nb, they would say that non binary is just that. Not male, not female.

Gender non conforming is attributes that would be perceived as particularly the opposite sex.

You being NB means you can't answer questions about stereotypes? How come?

GNC just means not conforming to your sex's stereotypes. It doesn't mean acting as the opposite sex.

Am I not?,
You mean like people who have decided they isnt a thing and is offensive and therefore wont use it? Or people who've decided they dont like nb as a concept so they wont respect it? Like that?

The eyeroll was for the nobodycan change sex comment. It's so boring.

I will when you ask a direct question. Asking me the point of something you clearly disagree with is a waste of absolutely everybody's time.

And if you think people who have difficulties in life as a result of being trans is self inflicted, your a thin line away from being transphobic.

You wouldnt say that about anyone who had a difficulty under any other protected characteristic. But then we are back to the argument that people choose to be trans, which I personally dont believe.

You're still not getting the difference between having personal beliefs and making everyone else go along with them.

No. Using stereotypes which I'm going to ignore any questions about because I'm not Nb, they would say that non binary is just that. Not male, not female.

Gender non conforming is attributes that would be perceived as particularly the opposite sex.

I struggle with that for women, because I cant think of an item of clothing I cant wear as a woman.

For men its entirely different.

Interestingly, I wonder how many of these posters who claim gender isnt a thing would be perfectly okay with a man in a dress.

Why the eyeroll, though? Could you please describe the point/aim of NB? I am genuinely interested.

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I agree that it's a catch 22. My feeling is that the whole project is itself a 'catch 22', or more accurately, meaningless.

It is a curious thing to do - to try to crystallise an identity that proclaims itself as beyond identity. And that's why Queer theory eats itself, in the end. Because as part of its relentless destructive quest, it logically has to destroy itself, too.

See Derrida et al - if 'nothing is absolute' - then that statement contradicts itself and vanishes in a puff of smoke, Jack.

Sorry, you cant claim re your earlier post that you are having a genuine discussion and interested in views and then claim trans difficulties are self inflicted. that is callous.

Personally I don't 'identify' as 'a feminist' or as 'GC' - they are descriptors that others might use to articulate that a woman is critical of certain kinds of stuff.

I agree, how someone identifies themself is their own business - and has nothing to do with anyone else - until that identity becomes a demand on others. That is the issue.

The world is arranged according to commonly held concepts and categories - without which there would be dysfunction. If someone does not feel/think/align in those ways that is their issue/perogative - but the world will continue to run and operate along those lines, and we have to accept that - for the sake of our own mental health.

Nobody changes sex.

That's the whole point.

I just avoid people who use surprising pronouns. I don't go out of my way to be rude.

That's a catch 22. I personally dont believe that changing your appearance to not 'appear'masculine or feminine (I await the 32 posts about what does that mean, because I'm not NB) makes a difference, but some people do. And they're entitled to that view. They're entitled to present and dress how they want and use they as a pronoun.

I'm agnostic. I dont spend my time telling people they cant possibly be a Christian because god doesnt exist. I just respect their right to have their views. You know, like most decent humans do.

I read a lot on here ahout how people would refuse to use they but I'd be interested to know if these people do it in real life to actual people or just tell them all about how they think their views are wrong etc etc.

I am told I am gender non conforming - does that make me non binary??? I have no idea

Wait, there is a physical process for becoming NB?

Are we back to making our bodies align with an imaginary genderfeel, again?

Making reality fit our imagination.

The issue is, I think, that for some people simple questions or critiques of identity concepts are in themselves existential threats.

If we are talking in existential or philosophical terms, though - being and nothingness; essence precedes form, and so on - then 'indulgent' is not threatening - it is merely descriptive.

Any specific 'difficulties' attached to adopting trans and NB identities are wholly self inflicted.

What is easier about being a woman/female?

Reach a discussion? What do you think we are having here?

I asked for your explanation of 'the whole point' of NB, and that would be good to hear, if you are able to articulate it.

'Thinking' has nothing to do with your sex, though.

A person can be in a coma, or even dead, and their sex remains the same.

I find gc and some branches of feminism performative, as I do certain views about same sex marriages etc

Unless it's in a direct discussion ahout same spaces, sports etc, if someone wants to identify as NB and refer to themselves as they, irs really nothing to do with you.

I'm not saying there arent some performative trans/gay/NB people. But you get performative in all walks of life. Women are not infallible and always in the right.

That's a completely separate argument and a trump card and you know it.

The thing is , nobody can win.

If someone physically transitions, then theres uproar about damage to bodies, drugs etc etc.

If they don't transition but identify as trans, that creates the arguments about where they go.

If they say okay I'm Nb and would like to be referred to as they, it's apparently offensive to women and nobody can possibly change their language.

People might as well say 'no you're a woman and that's it snd do on here regularly while trying to claim you cant tell anyone else how to think

And yet we see NB identified men playing in women's sport.

'I'm GC'appears in every other post.