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Risky behavior during stair descent for young adults: Differences in men versus women (Research about sex differences you never knew you needed to know)

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IwantToRetire · 01/08/2023 01:20

Previous research has demonstrated that average injury rate of stair-related falls has a trimodal distribution with a peak for young adults in their 20’s, with women in their 20’s sustaining about 80% more injuries than men of the same age.

The purpose of this study was to quantify young adult behaviors during staircase descent, with the goal of identifying behaviors that increase fall risk on stairs, and to determine if young women are more likely to demonstrate these risky behaviors. Young adults engaged in behaviors that may increase fall risk, including not using the handrail, carrying items, using electronic devices, holding a conversation, and wearing footwear that increases fall risk.

Women demonstrated several behaviors that increase their fall risk relative to men: less likely to use the handrail, more likely to be holding something in their hands, more likely to be engaged in conversation, more likely to wear sandals and heels, and they demonstrated a higher number of co-occurring risky behaviors.

However, women also engaged in behaviors that may be protective of fall risk: less likely to skip steps and more likely to look at the stair tread during transition steps.

Overall, the observed sex-related differences are strengthened by the inclusion of both short and long staircases since similar sex-related effects were observed on both staircases.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0288438

The published article is quite long and so has much more information, but I still couldn't work out why the research had happened.

Risky behavior during stair descent for young adults: Differences in men versus women

Injuries commonly occur on stairs, with high injury rates in young adults, especially young women. High injury rates could result from physiological and/or behavioral differences; this study focuses on behaviors. The purposes of this observational stud...

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0288438

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Feckedupbundle · 02/08/2023 08:58

Yes,I fell down our steep Victorian house stairs,onto a tiled hall floor, whilst carrying DD1 as a baby. Luckily neither of us were hurt.
My grandad was killed by falling down the stairs so growing up,I was never allowed to leave stuff on the stairs and I still don't to this day.

BillaBongGirl · 02/08/2023 08:47

I’ve fallen up the stairs before, I wonder if that counts?

IwantToRetire · 02/08/2023 00:35

I'm pretty sure I'm not the only woman that's happened to.

I think you are probably right. And so sorry that happened to you.

Thank goodness "X"!

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agent765 · 01/08/2023 21:09

A bit off-piste but I was pushed down the stairs by my XH. Does that count?

I'm pretty sure I'm not the only woman that's happened to.

WarriorN · 01/08/2023 20:55

Re ginger though, women do tend to be drawn to dancing and ballet more than men. So tend to practise that type of exercise more than men from an earlier age.

My sons school (only up to y4) didn't have single sex sports days. But they did put on a range of races and included a running skipping rope race.

Hardly any of the boys could do it, whereas most of the girls did so with ease. The boys just hadn't done it.

The school has now also changed how football is played at break and has a girls team.

WarriorN · 01/08/2023 20:50

Or perhaps that everyday women persist

I think we do learn early on we have to push though things that men just don't have to do.

IwantToRetire · 01/08/2023 20:49

Even if we haven't all had misadvertures with heels in our younger days, this alone should be a reason not to wear them (IMO)!

Previous research has shown that men find a woman's walk as more attractive when she's wearing heels, due to the heels changing lumbar curvature, exaggerating the chest and hips, and increasing pelvic tilt

Although suggestions that women are less agile etc., are sort of undermined by the famous quote of Ginger Roger's who apparently said:

"I do every thing that Fred Astaire does but also do it backwards and wearing heels"

Or perhaps that everyday women persist and overcome more as apparently we are badly designed.

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WarriorN · 01/08/2023 20:39

Friedgreentomatoestoo · 01/08/2023 17:55

Anatomy plays a big part in this.

The male pelvis is taller and narrower than a females and the acetabulum (socket) is placed more laterally (to the side).

The female pelvis is wider and deeper and the acetabulum on each side placed more anteriorly (towards the front).

So a man's legs are set on vertically whereas a woman's have an increased angle of the femur from the hip to knee region.

So women are less stable when walking.

Have a look at female athletes running and compare it to male athletes. The women's hips wobble more. That's why they can't run as fast.

This why women aren't as good as men at climbing ladders, and going up stairs.

which is why women wearing heels is the stupidest thing ever, clearly.

I'm starting to think many "attractive" trends are designed to keep us weak and unable.

The trend to be slim rather than strong (more so when I was growing up than now thank goodness) keeps women weaker than they could be.

More risk of broken bones there too tanks to bone density.

WarriorN · 01/08/2023 20:35

Once you've made a couple of falling entrances to dances or clubs in your high heels at 16/17/18 you do learn to tread more carefully.

Fuckin obvious Ffs!

IwantToRetire · 01/08/2023 19:30

I dont know if this link will work but shows a woman on the top level of an open bus reading Suggragette https://media.gettyimages.com/id/2664649/photo/a-woman-reading-a-copy-of-the-suffragette-magazine-on-an-open-top-london-bus.jpg?s=612x612&w=gi&k=20&c=5OSCYqZBqpK7IyN93yj2gd3u35lrwP6-j6_4zNOIBqc=

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IwantToRetire · 01/08/2023 19:24

Stairs are usually designed and built by men, and probably (like many things) cater better for the average man than the average woman. Of course the average woman is smaller than the average man.

Also, as with the house maids, depends of who will be using the stairs in terms of background, status.

Sorry another underground story, not sure it applies to all but what was the Circle Line which isn't that deep has a layout similar in nearly all I think. Walk in to entrance lobby and on the left and rights are stairs down to east or west travelling trains.

And (speculation) the stairs leading down have quite low risers and are quite deep. I wonder if part of that was to encourage women (I think it opened in the 1860s) with long skirts etc., that it would be safe for them to use this new fangled form of travel. But they always seem very gracious compared to some of the steep staircases down the newer deeper line.

Although of course open top omnibuses had really steep upper level seats and women did use that. But maybe that was a class thing.

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IwantToRetire · 01/08/2023 19:14

Your story could have been very unfunny.

I know. And what does it say that those who in theory were not likely to cope well being a bit tipsy, acted so well, and we all stood on our moving stairs doing absolutely nothing.

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endofthelinefinally · 01/08/2023 18:40

There is a terrifying escalator at the main entrance to the Wittington Hospital in London. It is huge and induces vertigo just looking at it. A few years ago I witnessed someone fall down it. Of course there were loads of people to help, but it is the most badly designed escalator I have ever seen. In a hospital of all places.

Friedgreentomatoestoo · 01/08/2023 18:33

@IwantToRetire So the friend with pony tail in one hand, just managed (as she was laughing too) to haul her friend up onto her feet and off the escalator, where they were joined by a third friend. They all just stood there laughing while the rest of us were open mouthed and stunned.

Your story could have been very unfunny.

Warning - graphic picture - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12246309/Female-tourist-lose-leg-getting-caught-moving-walkway-Bangkok-airport.html

BCCoach · 01/08/2023 18:25

On a flight today and had stairs to disembark so I watched closely. About a third of the men held the rail. Only a couple of women did, who were both elderly. Is it possible that more men than women have worked in environments where it is an H&S requirement to always hold the rail so just do it automatically? (Building sites, industrial plants, military etc.) I remember being told off when visiting the head office of an oil and gas company for not holding on to the rail. “You wouldn’t bloody do that on a rig would you?!!” I always hold the rail now.

BillaBongGirl · 01/08/2023 18:19

123ZYX · 01/08/2023 07:23

I assume the "things" being carried by women in their early 20s are often babies. Women will get more seriously injured in those cases because they will deliberately fall to protect the baby instead of themself.

Hmmm, for me in early 20s it would have been a bottle of vodka and a joint. Oh and I would be wearing sexy heels and a barely able to wiggle walk tight skirt.

Babies came much later as did my caution around stairs.

EdithStourton · 01/08/2023 18:14

Its funny even just typing this and my stomach has gone into a knot because it was really frightening to see. But also those of us who were sober did not do anything
It can be very hard in 2 or 3 seconds to process what you're seeing, weigh the risks and respond appropriately. That's why people who are likely to deal with crisis situations are trained in advance.

Zodfa · 01/08/2023 18:08

The smaller you are the harder standard stairs are to use. Children have a lot of stair-related accidents and probably not just because they've got less motor control and common sense in general. For little children getting upstairs can be quite a challenge even if they've otherwise mastered moving about perfectly well.

Stairs are usually designed and built by men, and probably (like many things) cater better for the average man than the average woman. Of course the average woman is smaller than the average man.

Let's not just blame women for risky behaviours when male-centric design choices probably have a role to play as well!

Goldencup · 01/08/2023 18:02

Yes running downstairs in stockinged feet with armful of domestic detritus and or children

Friedgreentomatoestoo · 01/08/2023 17:55

Anatomy plays a big part in this.

The male pelvis is taller and narrower than a females and the acetabulum (socket) is placed more laterally (to the side).

The female pelvis is wider and deeper and the acetabulum on each side placed more anteriorly (towards the front).

So a man's legs are set on vertically whereas a woman's have an increased angle of the femur from the hip to knee region.

So women are less stable when walking.

Have a look at female athletes running and compare it to male athletes. The women's hips wobble more. That's why they can't run as fast.

This why women aren't as good as men at climbing ladders, and going up stairs.

MyLadyDisdainlsYetLiving · 01/08/2023 17:39

FourTeaFallOut · 01/08/2023 07:47

I read somewhere that when women fall down the stairs they prioritise the safety of the object they are holding, even if that thing is unimportant and the theory was that all women, regardless of whether they have children, have an instinct to act as though it is an infant when falling and will jeaopordise their entire safety to cocoon it.

It could be bollocks, I certainly couldn't reference it.

That makes total sense that some kind of primeval protective instinct kicks in. My spectacular fall downstairs happened when I was a student and I had two handfuls of mugs that I had cleared from upstairs in our manky rented house. Caught my foot on the hole in the stair carpet and ride down the stairs on my arse like a Carry On film holding the mugs in front of me on outstretched arms. Not a mug was harmed but I bust my coccyx and nearly passed out in pain. Up to now I never really understood why I didn’t chuck the bloody mugs and grab the bannisters.

brokenlore · 01/08/2023 17:29

Fusion? Cushion obvs!

brokenlore · 01/08/2023 17:28

I fell down the stairs. Dd was only a few weeks old, and she suddenly lurched backwards, I had no idea a newborn could have such a powerful lurch, the only way to save her from falling was allowing myself to fall backwards, so dd was protected by my 'still intact baby weight belly' as a fusion. Dd was 100%, I had some seriously impressive bruising down my back. Could have been so much worse though!
And yes the amount of times I start downstairs and get called back by dc seems a regular occurrence, I now hold the banister!

BettyFilous · 01/08/2023 17:25

(Air supply for the babies in the poss, obvs. We don’t want to replace falls with baby mishaps.)

BettyFilous · 01/08/2023 17:23

Laundry features a lot in these thread stories. Laundry and babies. Laundry chutes, like in American and Canadian homes, suddenly seem really sensible. If we could have baby chutes, perhaps a scaled up version of those vacuum chutes with pods you used to see in supermarkets for moving cash away from tills, so much the better. 😂