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Have we discussed costa yet?

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RockAndRollerskate · 31/07/2023 16:14

It’s not going down well on Twitter

Have we discussed costa yet?
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Helleofabore · 01/08/2023 06:01

That is actually a vile tweet from Webberly. How dare any doctor declare this operation, cutting down off healthy breast tissue, as being completely ‘routine and normal’ in any way.

The negative side effects of this operation is continually being downplayed. And is now being glamourised. This is such concerning behaviour from any doctor.

Ohyousillydivvy · 01/08/2023 05:19

I've u subscribed from Costa and emailed them to tell them why not that they'll email me back or anything.

It's my little protest against their glorification of mutilating women and girls. How is this any different to FMG?

Oh wait, one set of mutilation is carried out by backward cultures so therefore their kids need saving. But the other one is practiced mainly by the white western community so is therefore life saving in the words of Dr. Webberly. The whole movement smacks of racist, saviour complex.

NoMoreLifts · 01/08/2023 04:59

gingerguineapig · 31/07/2023 21:03

Yes, it is very annoying. You don't eg have much choice at motorway service areas. Maybe Greggs instead - have they done anything to upset people?

Greggs support this
https://www.greggsfoundation.org.uk/breakfast-clubs
Looks sensible and helpful for children.

Breakfast Clubs | Greggs Foundation

A good start to the day; a good start in life  The Greggs Breakfast Club Programme was established in 1999 to help primary school children get a nutritious start to their school day.  

https://www.greggsfoundation.org.uk/breakfast-clubs

temosmail · 01/08/2023 03:57

loopyloutoo · 31/07/2023 20:12

Sorry but I don't get the hysteria? Are you sure that's what they mean? Maybe it's just design or am I being naive? Like nobody has lips like that either - how has it got anything to do with coffee?

You are naive

temosmail · 01/08/2023 03:55

HPFA · 31/07/2023 18:34

My daughter works for Costa (she's 18) - I texted her to tell her Boycott Costa was trending.

She hadn't heard anything about it. She's kind of mildly Terfy - not really very interested in the issue but says it's all "a bit silly " and "everyone's non-binary really".

Her response after I told her what it was about was "conservatives always make a big fuss about nothing".

I wonder how much we think about the best way of appealing to young women? On the one hand I suspect a lot of them secretly find it all a bit tiresome - on the other anything that gets associated with conservatism and the right wing generally tends to get the thumbs down from people this age. As the conversation opens up it's worth thinking about.

You can't. Their minds aren't developed

Rightsraptor · 01/08/2023 03:29

Completely routine and normal eh, Dr Webberley?

Everyone got that? Helen Webberley of Gender GP says it's completely routine and normal to amputate young women's healthy breasts.

As to all these lives that are being taken each year - evidence please.

Illegallyblonder · 01/08/2023 03:13

I’ve emailed them and I’m boycotting them.

Inamuddle36 · 01/08/2023 01:06

Aitchoo · 31/07/2023 17:16

Clearly costa and Dr Martens targeted at the same demographic; both designs look like they are from the same company!

If I bought DMs and liked Costa (I think its coffee is awful!) I would be boycotting them.

Deeply concerning.

Shocked by the Costa ad! Will they next show a body with scars on the arm
Where skin was cut to perform the phalloplasty for a transman??

@Aitchoo what is the connection with Dr Marten? Do they have similar ads?

Littlesprouts · 01/08/2023 00:36

"Completely routine and normal", though

Have we discussed costa yet?
SmoothSeasDoNotMakeGoodSailors · 01/08/2023 00:36

I was relatively young, certainly immature when my mum showed me her mastectomy scar. She had terminal breast cancer and I was devastated at the thought of losing her. I'm still so ashamed of how I reacted, I ran out of the room in the throws of a panic attack. She died 20 years ago, and I still live with the shame of that moment, I let her down. A couple of years ago I saw some kids hanging out by the river and realised one of them was a TM who had the same scars. I had a panic attack then, at the memory. This is so far not from ok. This is not something to be celebrated.

Beenhereforever1978 · 01/08/2023 00:13

But I'm bringing my whole self to work?

Granted its not my workplace but nobody was specific.

Boiledbeetle · 01/08/2023 00:11

Beenhereforever1978 · 31/07/2023 23:56

Might bimble into Costa tomorrow with my tits out. I'm sure they'll be very inclusive and appreciate me being unashamedly myself.

Don't fret, I'll make sure I self ID as a man just before I push the door open So it's all above board. That's how this shit works right?

I believe so!

I bet they aren't quite as inclusive to you though!

Beenhereforever1978 · 31/07/2023 23:56

WhiteFire · 31/07/2023 22:15

'We want everyone that interacts with us to experience the inclusive environment that we create, to encourage people to feel welcomed, free and unashamedly proud to be themselves. The mural, in its entirety, showcases and celebrates inclusivity.' (from the Mail article)

So why pick that one single image then?

Might bimble into Costa tomorrow with my tits out. I'm sure they'll be very inclusive and appreciate me being unashamedly myself.

Don't fret, I'll make sure I self ID as a man just before I push the door open So it's all above board. That's how this shit works right?

temosmail · 31/07/2023 23:43

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 31/07/2023 16:26

I'm happy to say I haven't used Costa since March 2020 and I used to be a regular. That won't be changing.

And why is that?

elodiedie · 31/07/2023 23:29

The image has become popular because there’s no other way of showing a trans person clearly in a cartoon drawing unless we want to unleash the fake boob/penis combo on the public.

I note with interest that the usual inclusion drive to include all skin tones has been abandoned here. Every trans man is peachy pink.

AnSolas · 31/07/2023 23:25

@canofsoup 🌻

ahagwearsapointybonnet · 31/07/2023 23:15

Oh just refreshed and saw the Mail article too, which obviously confirms it (not that I had any doubt!)

ahagwearsapointybonnet · 31/07/2023 23:11

gogomoto · 31/07/2023 19:01

It could be connect to breast cancer? Trying to be generous

I very much doubt anyone would depict a female breast-cancer survivor as surfing topless, while looking in all other respects like a stereotypical bloke. Nor have I heard of women suddenly feeling fine about going topless after having a mastectomy for cancer treatment. Plenty of evidence of trans-identified young girls feeling free/encouraged to get their chests out after so-called "top surgery" though... and the other work by what appears to be the same 'artist' seems to make it pretty certain that's what was intended.

BabyStopCryin · 31/07/2023 23:07

I’ve closed my account. They can shove it.

nopuppiesallowed · 31/07/2023 23:05

EdgeOfACoin · 31/07/2023 21:01

If anyone wants to leave Costa some feedback, here's a link:

https://contactus.costa.co.uk/home/

Messaged Costa...
Won't be getting my coffee there again.

Mayhem3 · 31/07/2023 22:54

canofsoup · 31/07/2023 22:26

I had to have both my breasts removed due to two separate breast cancer diagnosis. The image, and the message it sends, has absolutely devastated me this evening. I thought I'd come to terms with my loss, but evidently, from my emotional response to it, I haven't.

I’m sorry to hear that and if I were you I’d be telling the CEO of Costa exactly how you feel.

ArabeIIaScott · 31/07/2023 22:45

canofsoup Flowers

AnSolas · 31/07/2023 22:44

MidCent · 31/07/2023 19:02

Jennifer Bilek I think wrote about DEI / EDI policies coming down from such a high level that funding streams to corps are stopped unless they comply with Stonewall-esque policies . Someone else might have better info.

Ok

Say there is a massive company (WhiteStone (WS)) which is given your pension plan and your spare cash to invest in the global markets.
It is the biggest and the market leader.
WS buys and sells shares and acts as a bankloan by buying and selling bonds.
WS has corporate values that it uses as proof of what a good citizen it is.
Other investment companies want to match WS and win your business so they track copy what WS is doing
Non employees who want to work there will encourage their employers to do what WS do.
And non-invester companies want WS to buy new shares or new bond Or buy existing shares/bonds for a good resale price. so they change to what WS want in an investment.
Once WS own shares it gets to vote on what is a good corporate value
If it loans money it can set terms and conditions.

You want to make sure that your money is only invested in a business with a corporate value or a specific EID value of including a yellow flag in any official logo.

As an outsider before you invest you want to make sure that WS has the correct logo and an internal EID team to keep the EID in place
But WS Is taking your money and investing it in other companies.
Say in a bank
Your next question is has the bank also got a yellow logo
If they do you agree that WS used your money to help it do business but put an external EID in place to make sure the bank keep the logo.
They want to keep your money and put an internal EID in place
But your money is taken by the bank and invested too.
So you ask WS to ask if the bank customers who use the money you gave the bank have a yellow logo
The bank put an external EID in place.
You, your employer and the local shops are a customers of the bank and need a proof you each have a yellow logo.
Plus you are getting other investment companies and non-employees to follow your lead by matching the WS EID

In real life as a tiny investor you can not ask WS to provide a yellow logo. But if you can reach an economic size WS change the way SW do business to keep your money.

If you can become an insider employee you can sell the idea of how good the yellow logo is and how good it would be to have it as a corporate value as people would invest just because they value the logo too. You are now getting paid to use other peoples money to create an EID team and roll it down so they need a yellow logo to get a job, housing, buy food etc

If you are the boss of WS you just say that the yellow logo is happening. You contol the money and can lobby politicians and run targeted ad campaigns at people who vote for politicians etc and get to lobby the investment industry too.

If hand that rocks the cradle rules the world and you can not be the WS boss you may want to get into education and teach all (the bright business mind and the government employee setting banking rules and the road sweep with a pension) that everyone needs a yellow logo to be a good person.

Now that ^ is all a right wing tinfoil hat bla bla bla .... because your decision about a yellow logo always existed