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Nancy Kelly (Stonewall) responds to Labour's u-turn on self ID

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Xoxoxoxoxoxox · 31/07/2023 11:32

Quite an interesting tweet from Nancy Kelly, as she is probably privy to information that has informed Labour's change of heart.
She blames the Labour Party's attitude to Northerners it seems they view as particularly against gender ideology and Labour hopes to win them back.
She conveniently merges homophobia with the backlash against trans ideology, easier to find an open homophobe in London than in my hometown of Grimsby -that may be true I don't know, but I bet a lot of women in Grimsby are against transing children and for women only sport etc. The law changes were nothing to do with the LGB and all about the T.

Her quote in full:

The political class in Westminster typically holds hard to the belief that homophobic, biphobic and transphobic policy and dogwhistles win them votes in the North.
It's a belief based on class prejudice, not data. London is *dramatically more religious than other parts of the UK, and this makes a huge difference in attitudes to LGBTQ+ communities. Easier to find an open homophobe in London than in my hometown of Grimsby these days.

Amongst the politicos who understand this, a more depressing set of factors are at play, ones which do implicate the electorate. LGBTQ+ rights are a "low salience" issue for the vast majority of voters.

Which is to say, most voters who think that both Labour and Conservative policies and rhetoric on trans rights are wrong, will still vote Lab/Con because of other issues they view as much more important.This behaviour frees up parties to take the risk of pandering to the minority of voters for whom trans rights are very high salience. Transphobic voters, and voters radicalised by the endless firehouse of transphobic UK press.
And that's on all of us. If we don't make it crystal clear that inclusive policies upholding international human rights standards are *essential to getting our vote, then political parties are free to flirt with or openly adopt the politics of exclusion and "culture wars". So (emoji -what can you do?)

https://twitter.com/Nancy_M_K

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SidewaysOtter · 31/07/2023 12:40

ArabeIIaScott · 31/07/2023 12:06

Was she assigned Northern at birth, or does she just identify as such?

You just need to grab a whippet, take up pigeon fancying, dress like Compo from Last of The Summer Wine and start leaning over fences saying things like "There's rain in them there 'ills, thee teks me word fer it".

There, no need to be assigned anything. You can just identify into it through the use of stereotypes.

Fordian · 31/07/2023 12:32

Nancy's battle for relevance trundles ever onwards.

Any woman who isn't GC isn't keeping up.

ditalini · 31/07/2023 12:18

Still with the forced teaming. She can't help herself.

I think she tells on herself when she mentions trans but then almost immediately segues into homophobia - she knows they're not connected but that accusations of the latter work better as a stick.

SamW98 · 31/07/2023 12:13

Boiledbeetle · 31/07/2023 11:58

Oh Nancy!

I'm not radicalised. But you are. And if I'm now by your definition radicalized then you yourself would have to look inward for the reason as to why that might be so because my opinions and belief on reality are what they have always been.

You know in all the times through my life when the L and the G and the B were fighting for equality and for the right to be able to marry the person they wanted despite being of the same sex not once did I feel that my life or rights was going to be in anyway negatively impinged on by those rights being granted. I also didn't think what they were fighting for damaged children in any way.

The T and what comes after it (not sure on this week's agreed letter and maths symbol arrangement) fundamentally pits the rights you are fighting for to be enshrined in law against my rights as a woman and the rights of children not to be forced/indoctrinated into something that could seriously impact their quality of life as an adult.

I oppose that not because I am any of the phobics you throw out as insults nor is it based on where I from.

The inclusive policies you fight for in their current form are dangerous and not inclusive of the rest of the population.

Absolutely 💯 agree 👏👏👏

nettie434 · 31/07/2023 12:11

London is *dramatically more religious than other parts of the UK, and this makes a huge difference in attitudes to LGBTQ+ communities

i don't think that remark is totally accurate. The census shows that London has more people with religions other than Christianity (mainly because it's more ethnically diverse) https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/religion/bulletins/religionenglandandwales/census2021 but it's not 'dramatically more religious'.

Nancy might be purest of them all when it comes to homophobia and transphobia, but that remark comes across as discriminatory on the grounds of religion and even borderline racist, given the close connection between ethnic and religious identity.

Religion, England and Wales - Office for National Statistics

The religion of usual residents and household religious composition in England and Wales, Census 2021 data.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/religion/bulletins/religionenglandandwales/census2021

ArabeIIaScott · 31/07/2023 12:06

Was she assigned Northern at birth, or does she just identify as such?

Boiledbeetle · 31/07/2023 11:58

Oh Nancy!

I'm not radicalised. But you are. And if I'm now by your definition radicalized then you yourself would have to look inward for the reason as to why that might be so because my opinions and belief on reality are what they have always been.

You know in all the times through my life when the L and the G and the B were fighting for equality and for the right to be able to marry the person they wanted despite being of the same sex not once did I feel that my life or rights was going to be in anyway negatively impinged on by those rights being granted. I also didn't think what they were fighting for damaged children in any way.

The T and what comes after it (not sure on this week's agreed letter and maths symbol arrangement) fundamentally pits the rights you are fighting for to be enshrined in law against my rights as a woman and the rights of children not to be forced/indoctrinated into something that could seriously impact their quality of life as an adult.

I oppose that not because I am any of the phobics you throw out as insults nor is it based on where I from.

The inclusive policies you fight for in their current form are dangerous and not inclusive of the rest of the population.

ResisterRex · 31/07/2023 11:56

I hope Andrew Neil invites her on to go through all this

Froodwithatowel · 31/07/2023 11:54

And the first thing you always have to say to anyone in the grip of this faith:
can you define all the words you're using please, because you use words like Humpty Dumpty which precludes any shared meaning or making sense of anything you have to say.

What's a 'homophobe', Nance?

Because someone who calls lesbians sexual racists for not doing men is a pretty good definition to me.

SidewaysOtter · 31/07/2023 11:50

Bless her, she's trying to stay relevant.

Florissante · 31/07/2023 11:38

Oh, do go away, Nancy.

Redshoeblueshoe · 31/07/2023 11:37

Isn't she unemployable unemployed at the moment ?