Nancy Kelly (Stonewall) responds to Labour's u-turn on self ID

I don't know if she is correct about these "international human rights standards", but if she is correct, then I do know that progressives invented them 5 minutes ago without any evidence.

And that's like trying to impose Biblical morality on everyone else because you think "God said it".

Yeah, if it was a conservative that said that, they would probably be jumped on for using a "racist dog whistle".

That's not to say it would be correct, but that's the game that progressives play.

She's also assuming that most people ( those that aren't the northern bigots of imagination) are in favour of males in women's spaces and the transing of children. It's only thick people, religious people and racist people ( the sort that might vote Conservative for the first time because they want Brexit) who don't.

Hm. So which religions is she claiming are homophobic? It would be good if she would spell it out.

Well, it’s not Hinduism as far as I can see.

Nancy has a real gift for race relations, what with previously equating trans identified males with black women and now this.

*cackle

I can't claim credit for Assigned Northern At Birth, sadly.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3339137-BACP-Gender-Sexual-and-Relationship-Diversity-by-Dr-Meg-John-Barker

So all these religious Londoners. Would they be mostly people from ethnic minorities, I'm guessing?

Sounds a bit racist to me, Nancy.

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Women are emotional (except in the aggressive north), says therapists’ body

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/716d1408-aec6-11e8-a225-46081b2ac219?shareToken=8596f52827e9d08b97a9a9ce0a710616

Share for that BACP story

I am going to steal this

I don't suppose you have a share token for this do you please?

Good point. Here's what it meant to be a marginalised outsider under Kelley's term at Stonewall:

Boris Johnson’s senior advisers are ‘letting Stonewall dictate trans policies’

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/60f9f704-43ff-11ec-90b4-dd43226240e0?shareToken=9933a9e02cc01c1b83ce860fe1dd5845

"The political class in Westminster"

I am so bloody sick of people who are in positions of power trying to portray themselves as marginalized outsiders. She was head of one of the most powerful lobbying organizations in the country that held away over those political classes and just annoyed as she has lost a bit of influence.

Blurring the T and the rest of the alphabet soup with the LGB is where the problems lie IMO.

LGB is about what sex you are attracted to. You are a particular sex and find others of the same or opposite or both sexually attractive. The T and the alphabet soup is a gender ideology whereby the belief is that you can change your sex (YOU CAN'T). The flux of how someone 'feels' is often based on stereotypical gender ideas and so 'hey little girl you want to play with cars then you must be a boy' crap which I thought we had moved away from. Years ago people would have the same issues of feeling confused at puberty etc. Now some are pushed into believing they are in the 'wrong body' nope, they aren't, they may feel that they don't conform to what society might say a man or a woman looks like/behaves like etc but it's their body.

Chuck in the sexual deviants and men who fetish dressing like a woman and then hide away under the Pride flag and it's no wonder many people who are LGB are moving away from the T and the alphabet soup.

Then there's social contagion and it's fashionable as a young person in school to say they feel like the opposite sex or gender neutral because they get lots of attention and can dictate to others how they should be referred to and using of pronouns/names/ and wo betide anyone who messes up and commits the cardinal sex of misgendering them. There seems to be narcissists and other self obsessed people using that too.

It's a mess. Fortunately some are realising the damage done recently and speaking out. The handmaidens and the ones who feel they are so forward thinking joining in with the pronoun stuff/ allowing men in women's changing areas and being blind to men who use that for their own ends are still suffering from woke fog and might actually use some critical thinking skills about why women and girls don't feel comfortable with men in changing rooms etc (or one day they might).

If I played the identity politics game I might say that her use of religion was almost a dog whistle.

Ah Kelly.

Presided over the spitting out of all homosexuals who wanted to be homosexual when she turned LGBT+++ into a political party of anyone of any sexuality committed to alternative reality, queering the universe and critical theory...

but yanks those same rejected homosexuals and bisexuals out of her hat and waves them whenever they are personally useful to her.

The woman has no conscience of any kind.

And this is what was it Baroness Faulkner or Kemi Badenoch was talking about? The Equality act covers more than just the one characteristic.

London is dramatically more religious than other parts of the UK, and this makes a huge difference in attitudes to LGBTQ+ communities*

The C of E is, as I understand it, very welcoming and accepting of gay and lesbian people, no?

So, which religions does she mean?

If we don't make it crystal clear that inclusive policies upholding international human rights standards are essential to getting our vote, then political parties are free to flirt with or openly adopt the politics of exclusion and "culture wars". So (emoji -what can you do?)*

We can remember that women have human rights too Nancy.

I'm just contemplating the suggestion that religion = homophobia.

This is so true.

It is why I am not believing that labour has done anything more than use different words than before but has seemingly ‘changed course’. And Stella Creasy declaring ‘legal’ female supports that they have devised the words (probably through research focus groups) that leave people thinking what they want to think while Labour will simply keep on going on with their policies.

I don’t think you can compare london and Grimsby. London’s population is a huge multiple of Grimsby and there is a wider variety of religions practiced, so yes it might be more likely to find a homophobe in london but that is a. Because there are many many many more people b. It is massively more multicultural and multi religion

The political class in Westminster typically holds hard to the belief that homophobic, biphobic and transphobic policy and dogwhistles win them votes in the North.

Trans ideologists never cease to show themselves up by using words like homophobia.

There's nothing more homophobic than making lesbians do dick, Nancy. And calling homosexuality an outdated medical term, of course.

All these misogynists fondly imagining they're taking the moral high ground!