Nancy Kelly (Stonewall) responds to Labour's u-turn on self ID

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Easier to find an open homophobe in London than in my hometown of Grimsby these days

That's coz you moved to London, Nance

Easier to find an open homophobe in London than in my hometown of Grimsby these days.

Well yes. That's where Stonewall has it's HQ isn't it? They are pretty open about being institutionally homophobic. They tweet about it often enough.

Nancy, you idiot. That was your job. Get back to Grimsby and do the work if it bothers you so much

This made me laugh! So right!

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It's also not been helped by Stonewall and the lunatic fringe of the TQ+ political movement declaring open season on homosexual people who won't nicely shift 'homosexual' to mean 'actually will be bisexual/do straight sex rather than upset someone's identity' and making it fashionable to be loudly, aggressively derisive, with lots of violent sexual ideation, about it being righteous to punish and beat those who aren't Like You.

Stonewall et al LED THIS.

They have normalised, rationalised and excused 'going out to fuck up some terfs' and barbed wire baseball bats for the beating of lesbians who won't do male people who identify with feminine genders. They have set out to make homosexuality unacceptable and violent dehumanising of the non compliant an every day thing.

So they can bloody own it. The world was a much better place to be gay in before the rainbow glitter jackboots stomped all over it.

She is so right.

One CEO actually called lesbians 'sexual racists' if they didn't accept males who say they are lesbians in their dating pool.

If she wants to get behind getting rid of these sorts of people, I'm right behind her.

Oh...hang on...

Of course we have no way of knowing if homophobia is worsening or not.

Homophobic hate crimes are now lumped in with transphobic hate crimes and as far as I now there's no way to differentiate.

So a Twitter misgendering is going to be recorded the same as a gay bashing.

"Nancy can only ever identify as northern, anyhow, coming from that funny place south of the Humber." This is a good point @PickAChew

Nancy is so bloody desperate

What on earth is she talking about as if she is some Daily Mail sad faced little outsider peeping in to a faraway powerful world that she’s never going to be part of?

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I'd say us Northerners are less likely to fall for bullshit but that's probably regionalist. 😂

Nancy Kelley literally IS the political class. She’s paid to be a professional lobbyist as part of running her gigantic household name, government advising multimillion megacharity.

It’s her full time job, influencing both government and political parties’ policies. What on earth is she talking about as if she is some Daily Mail sad faced little outsider peeping in to a faraway powerful world that she’s never going to be part of? What a weird and revealing fantasy version of herself she’s promoting. Is she trying to distance herself from her own failures?

Kelley will have had innumerable and routine lunches, dinners and cosy work meetings around tables with PMs, Ministers, leaders of all the parties for years and years now. These household names will all be on first name terms with her and have each others’ mobile numbers. Same all the key broadsheet and broadcast journalists in national media. That’s exactly what the political class is. People like Nancy Kelley.

More importantly, how dare she complain in that racist way about the religiosity of Londoners and smear them as homophobes? Outrageous.

If she’s complaining about homophobia in the UK then that is a direct consequence of her own failings as a leader on her charity’s legal mission around promoting equality, Stonewall, so this is just DARVO. Shameless. She had one job, etc.

Maybe we could name it after those characterful stone walls you find there...

Maybe if it was such a problem you could have a charity designed to promote the acceptance of gay and lesbian people all over the country, if the North is so ignorant.

Maybe we could name it after those characterful stone walls you find there...

Nancy, you idiot. That was your job. Get back to Grimsby and do the work if it bothers you so much

I don’t know whether the homophobia is worse in London or Grimsby. What I do know is that even though most people have moved on it still exists in shocking and hateful forms in all kinds of places. Yesterday a friend posted a picture of some graffiti in her northern seaside town calling for a genocide of ‘faggots.’

Unfortunately I think there has been an increase in public displays of homophobia, and sadly I think this is because of how gay men and lesbians are constantly being packaged by both SM and MSM as just being part of the rainbow umbrella.

And by implication are thought ( by some) part of the more fetishistic displays at Pride marches and also the dreaded drag queen story hour.

So all the years of campaigning and out reach that Gay Liberation and the early days of Pride did to get people to accept that just because someone was in a same sex relationship it didn't mean they were any different from most of society, ie were going to work, coming home for tea / supper / dinner, going to the supermarket at weekends, saving up for a summer holiday. ie the whole point of the early Pride marches was in fact to see for instance people in military uniform or nurses in their scrubs, just ordinary people marching to stand up for their right to be same sex attracted.

But once Stonewall included the T and queer politics became the driving force, a very different public presentation of being gay or lesbian was presented. Even though it wasn't in fact representative a small group have been able to take over Pride and present it as fetishistic. One of the many reasons why LGB Alliance is so important, and also the Lesbian Alliance.

Then because people have justifiably demonstrated against drag queen story hour, whether for feminist or parental reasons, but Stonewall say they are part of the rainbow tribe, this has opened the door for those who want to infer that drag queen story hour represents homosexuality. Which the right wing have done as they have always had the narrative that all homosexuals are paedophiles. (And of course the left then says because right wingers are attacking it, if you too say you dont support DQSH, you too are a right winger.)

So I think it is highly likely that this has created an atmosphere where people who previously wouldn't have been bothered either way about someone being gay now feel they can say it isn't right.

Not helped by the trans agenda that is encouraging the NHS to be homophobic as it were. ie the implication to young people that if they dont feel comfortable in the way society is tells them is normal, including heterosexuality, then instead of positively affirming the possibililty of being homosexual, instead sets them on the path to transing.

Wow. That really shows the sexist shit you have to fall back on when you can’t define women and men as adult human females and males.

And that substance-less, evidence-free accusation and name calling from Nancy Kelly reminds me of my abusive Ex. That was exactly his tactic too.

Billy Elliot was set in the North and intended to show that it would not be easy to be a ballet dancer (too effeminate/gay seeming) there.

The detransitioner currently suing the NHS for hurrying him through surgeries, instead of letting him just carry on with counselling, now knows he was just gay but found it difficult to express this in his original community (Northern).

I think it really unlikely that cosmopolitan London, Brighton, Bristol, or New Agey Wales and Somerset, are less open to Gay or Trans people than ordinary Northerners.

I'm sure someone, somewhere is writing a phD on it.

We need to know the impact of longitude too. You are more likely to see a gay couple holding hands in Sheffield than in Durham, but it would be rash to assume this was down to the north/south divide rather than some east/west polarity.

Nancy can only ever identify as northern, anyhow, coming from that funny place south of the Humber.

So her dual claim is that (1) There is no evidence that attitudes towards transgender issues correlate with distance from the equator; (2) Nonetheless, the policy change is a calculated attempt to win votes in the north.

Surely (1) makes (2) extremely unlikely? Unless she really does believe that those pesky Westminster elites would rather lose an election than base their U-turns on the actual demographic research they for-some-reason commission.

I don’t know whether the homophobia is worse in London or Grimsby. What I do know is that even though most people have moved on it still exists in shocking and hateful forms in all kinds of places. Yesterday a friend posted a picture of some graffiti in her northern seaside town calling for a genocide of ‘faggots.’

I also know that if Stonewall had been doing the job it was set up for we would have a much better idea about all of this because they would have used their considerable budget to commission research and raise awareness about homophobia rather than campaigning for people to say men are women and muddying the waters by calling them phobic when they refuse.

Funny - though not really, more typical - that the issue is posed as homophobia.

Is it part of Stonewall training that you never ever mention women, that no reference must be made to women having rights, and most of all never make any reference to women being able to think for themselves.

And irrespective of whether political parties think in cliched ways (more likely the stupid briefing papers drawn up by immature graduates who have no experience of real life) about different regions in the UK and religions, I am convinced that women in the north and women in London resent having their rights ignored at the expense of an unrepresentative and disparate grouping of people.

Most of the UK is not alienated by people who are same sex attraced but the Rainbow coalition approach means that this change in attitudes is not acknowledged.

So yet again Stonewall is stopping open and honest discussion by hijacking those who are same sex attracted to be the cover for a very different grouping of peope. ie being intersex has nothing to do with being gay or lesbian or being trans. And ditto all the other being forced under the umbrella.

I'd pay good money to watch that interview.

I’m willing to bet Nancy hasn’t been out in Cleethorpes for a while. Last time I was out with my gay friend, there was a big gang of lads talking about smacking gay boy poofters about. I went to school with Nancy and we all hung out with punks,goths and hippies, and we were a pretty tolerant bunch. I don’t think she ever really mixed with many “dressers”, as we called them at the time, and I’m very dubious she has any kind of special insight into the views and opinions of the local populace.