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Woman's Hour want to know who you'd like to have on ...

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ArabeIIaScott · 30/07/2023 19:04

https://twitter.com/BBCWomansHour/status/1685591062331682816

'Do you ever discuss a topic and think: ‘I’d love to hear that on Woman’s Hour’? Well, here’s your chance! Listener Week is coming up & we'd like to hear from YOU! Whether it's personal stories or guest suggestions, let us know what you want to hear'

The comments are interesting, but clearly all the many women commenting are not the right kind of women for Womans Hour.

https://twitter.com/BBCWomansHour/status/1685591062331682816

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IwantToRetire · 30/07/2023 19:52

Because you're frequently so bloody contrarian. It gets tiresome, also.

Just how pompous can you get.

Thanks for confirming that there is a mind set that there are certain views that are acceptable and not others.

Has it ever occured to you that many have given up on FWR because a few are policing threads.

If you think I am a contrarian it means you think there is a "true" way and you know what it is.

At this rate FWR will die a slow death because it will only be used by the small number who spend their time just re-affirming that their view of the world is the correct one.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 30/07/2023 19:51

IwantToRetire · 30/07/2023 19:43

Sorry having an opinion is policing.

Sometimes responses on here by posters who cant imagine that everybody doesn't agree with them are bizarre.

And to repeat what i said upthread. Ask a question on twitter and you will get a twitter type response.

Which is why the media uses twitter, one of the least used social media platforms, so that they dont have to deal with a wider reality.

With respect, you do regularly post criticising posts / threads that have been made without your prior permission.
You started your perfectly reasonable suggestions about using "ordinary" women's voices with this little sneer:
"I am slightly taken aback at the suggestions which seem to show that those who use twitter only know about a very few women, and for some reason think Helen Joyce is the most important".

Maybe you're unaware of how you come over - you could simply have added your suggestions without criticising others?

I also know (having been involved in all this for more years than I care to remember) just how hard numerous women have had to work to secure a media presence and be able to argue in an articulate and clear way when interviewed.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/07/2023 19:51

I didn't suggest Helen Joyce because she's all I know about from Twitter. I've been in this for years. I suggested her because she's highly intelligent, media friendly, likeable and compassionate while taking absolutely no prisoners, and she wrote a literal bestseller on the topic. As pp said, it's a massive oversight that she hasn't already been on.

WarriorN · 30/07/2023 19:51

think they can "scold" anyone who doesn't agree with you

That's mumsnet.

It's a right of passage to have your arse handed to you on a plate, even if you don't think it should be Grin

Netmums is the #bekind forum

WarriorN · 30/07/2023 19:48

FloweryWowery · 30/07/2023 19:45

Lisa Nandy. I met her years ago and liked her. Then she said male rapists should be welcomed into women's prisons. What the hell happened there?

I knew her as a child... she's lovely.

Very career driven politician from early on and I honestly suspect she gets given lines she parrots. Or comes up with and won't budge. Towing the party line (of the time?) unfortunately.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/07/2023 19:48

And it is getting really tiresome that some (a few self elected representatives) think they can "scold" anyone who doesn't agree with you.

Do get over yourself, you're not a primary school teacher and the women of FWR are not your pupils, as multiple people have told you on many different occasions. We all have views and we will express them.

ArabeIIaScott · 30/07/2023 19:47

IwantToRetire · 30/07/2023 19:46

You are free to disagree, and suggest someone else, but merailing the thread to scold others is pretty tiresome.

And it is getting really tiresome that some (a few self elected representatives) think they can "scold" anyone who doesn't agree with you.

Why are you putting so much effort in to telling me I have wrong think?

It's an opinion.

You need to accept that not everyone thinks like you.

Because you're frequently so bloody contrarian. It gets tiresome, also.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/07/2023 19:46

For sure. It's interesting to see one woman, who I'm pretty sure would be amenable to being on Woman's Hour, and provides excellent interviews, being suggested over and over again.

As pp have said, I suspect they are worried about her letting the A word out.

IwantToRetire · 30/07/2023 19:46

You are free to disagree, and suggest someone else, but merailing the thread to scold others is pretty tiresome.

And it is getting really tiresome that some (a few self elected representatives) think they can "scold" anyone who doesn't agree with you.

Why are you putting so much effort in to telling me I have wrong think?

It's an opinion.

You need to accept that not everyone thinks like you.

Woman2023 · 30/07/2023 19:46

I actually think a large number of women suggesting the same woman is a good thing. It makes it more obvious that it's a political decision for them to continue to ignore her, thus not covering current issues successfully.

WarriorN · 30/07/2023 19:45

To be fair @MrsOvertonsWindow, I still want a gif of Emma saying "staggering penis" in the exaggerated way she said it.

Because it was clear she wasn't buying it.

FloweryWowery · 30/07/2023 19:45

Lisa Nandy. I met her years ago and liked her. Then she said male rapists should be welcomed into women's prisons. What the hell happened there?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/07/2023 19:44

Sometimes responses on here by posters who cant imagine that everybody doesn't agree with them are bizarre.

You are free to disagree, and suggest someone else, but merailing the thread to scold others is pretty tiresome.

Woman2023 · 30/07/2023 19:43

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/07/2023 19:42

Didn't they have Grace Lavery on, of all people?

I believe they did.

I think anyone who has better suggestions should get on Twitter and make them there.

WarriorN · 30/07/2023 19:43

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/07/2023 19:42

Didn't they have Grace Lavery on, of all people?

Yes.

They don't want the A word. Would break the radio...

MrsOvertonsWindow · 30/07/2023 19:43

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/07/2023 19:42

Didn't they have Grace Lavery on, of all people?

Yup - talking about their book about their penis. 😓

IwantToRetire · 30/07/2023 19:43

Sorry having an opinion is policing.

Sometimes responses on here by posters who cant imagine that everybody doesn't agree with them are bizarre.

And to repeat what i said upthread. Ask a question on twitter and you will get a twitter type response.

Which is why the media uses twitter, one of the least used social media platforms, so that they dont have to deal with a wider reality.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/07/2023 19:43

And with Richard Dawkins yesterday. Getting the message out there.

WarriorN · 30/07/2023 19:42

IwantToRetire · 30/07/2023 19:34

I am slightly taken aback at the suggestions which seem to show that those who use twitter only know about a very few women, and for some reason think Helen Joyce is the most important. (Yes I know twitter is just an empty echo chamber, but maybe that's why media companies use it.)

Am not on twitter (and any way they wouldn't bother to notice) but would suggest a round up of all the women who may not have written a book, but have actually lost their job, their child/ren, friends, membership of the Labour Party just for believing in the biological fact of sex.

The reality of what is going is, is what is horrendous. Women's Hour should at least acknowledge this by making public these women whose lives have been turned upside down by TRAs.

Suggest that on the twitter- X thread?

The thing is that HJ is exceptionally good at Spelling Out the BS.

Women I know heard Sharron Spelling Out the BS.

They don't want her on as she's guaranteed to say the A word....

And we want that on there!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/07/2023 19:42

Didn't they have Grace Lavery on, of all people?

ArabeIIaScott · 30/07/2023 19:42

IwantToRetire · 30/07/2023 19:40

Helen Joyce is a known figure

Not really, in fact only in a sort of BBC type of way.

And not reflective of how women's lives are being lived.

We dont need women who write to present themselves as our "representatives".

We need women who are on the front line being given a voice.

And KJK has shown how much more immediate and insightful that is via LWS.

'only in a sort of BBC type of way' - eh?!

Here she is with Megyn Kelly.

Trans Activist Emotional Blackmail, Silencing Women, and Redefining Language, with Helen Joyce

Megyn Kelly is joined by Helen Joyce, author of "Trans: When Ideology Meets Reality," to talk about how trans activists are changing the language to redefine...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNw9j-Oeaa8

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Woman2023 · 30/07/2023 19:41

I could suggest plenty of women, but Helen Joyce is such an obvious "oversight" as if she had written a best seller about any other current topic they would have interviewed her. They've had men on with a lot less talent.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 30/07/2023 19:40

ArabeIIaScott · 30/07/2023 19:36

Helen Joyce is a known figure, happy to talk, eloquent, thoughtful, insightful and intelligent as well as entertaining. It's not about being 'important', what an odd take.

More "policing" of women's views on here 🙄
The great thing about this board is that women feel free to make suggestions, speak and work things out without the dead hand of transactivists silencing us.
And for anyone who hasn't heard Helen speaking (she committed the crime of writing a well respected book - Trans) here's a link to her in conversation with Richard Dawkins:

Enjoy.

"Trans: When Ideology Meets Reality" - My conversation with Helen Joyce

Here is my conversation with Helen J on 'The Poetry of Reality', tackling the influence of gender ideology on society, the ideological lens, and its implicat...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hu72Lu5FqE4

IwantToRetire · 30/07/2023 19:40

Helen Joyce is a known figure

Not really, in fact only in a sort of BBC type of way.

And not reflective of how women's lives are being lived.

We dont need women who write to present themselves as our "representatives".

We need women who are on the front line being given a voice.

And KJK has shown how much more immediate and insightful that is via LWS.

ArabeIIaScott · 30/07/2023 19:38

For sure. It's interesting to see one woman, who I'm pretty sure would be amenable to being on Woman's Hour, and provides excellent interviews, being suggested over and over again.

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