Woman's Hour want to know who you'd like to have on ...

Why do you feel the need to be snide about the suggestions of Helen Joyce?

There are numerous great reasons to have her on and numerous other great women as well. But why are you ‘taken aback’ as if suggesting her first would be a poor choice? Are you intending to shame those who suggested her for some reason, because that really does come across with that intention?

The sheer bare faced chutzpah of you posting this @IwantToRetire as someone who religiously polices not only threads and posters but the entire Board.

The posts tonight are all pure DARVO.

Abigal Shrier, Martina Navratilova, Riley Gaines, Bev Jackson, Kate Harris, Kemi Badenoch, Miriam Cates & of course Kellie Jay Keen - all good knowledgeable speakers

Has it ever occured to you that many have given up on FWR because a few are policing threads.

The sheer bare faced chutzpah of you posting this @IwantToRetire as someone who religiously polices not only threads and posters but the entire Board.

At this rate FWR will die a slow death because it will only be used by the small number who spend their time just re-affirming that their view of the world is the correct one.

Doubtful, it is one of the most visited Boards on MN, lurkers regularly pop up on threads to say how useful they have found it, new posters likewise.

If several posters are saying they have a problem with how you come across on this Board wouldn't you reflect on why that is and maybe, just maybe, think you may indeed be the problem?

Good idea viques . It's been a pleasure to see Jenni regaining her voice in the Daily Mail which has been excellent in ensuring that women's voices are finally being heard.

The Baroness would be great.

I'm not on twitter so can't suggest it, but I'd like to hear Baroness Nicholson. Obviously been doing sterling work on this issue, but has had a long, interesting and at times controversial career prior to that. Has succeeded in politics inspite of being female and disabled. Active in charity work. All round powerful woman and good egg. I'd be delighted to listen to her being interviewed by someone intelligent.

Yes they did. And wasn't Anita Rani gushing over someone about fucking lipstick? Grace Lavery or some other TW I think.

Am not on twitter

Really? Your posts on a previous thread would suggest otherwise @IwantToRetire

Thanks

Sorry - this was to Iwanttoretire.

Anyway - enough squabbling on a dreary wet sunday evening.

How about Starmer and ambush him with Jenny Murray

”Good morning Sir Kier, and welcome to Woman’s Hour. Unfortunately the wet as a fish interviewer your office requested has been delayed by unaccountably being locked in the basement supplies cupboard with her list of approved questions, but fortunately Jenny Murray was in the building and has agreed to conduct the interview and extemporise.”

Also, it looks like you have to be on Twitter to suggest people, so the Twitter view is the one that's likely to come through strongest.

If you can't see that this initial comment "I am slightly taken aback at the suggestions which seem to show that those who use twitter only know about a very few women, and for some reason think Helen Joyce is the most important" came over as pointlessly critical then I can't help you.

If a number of posters are giving you feedback then maybe it's worth pondering why?
I'm not affronted by you having a different opinion - your suggestion of "ordinary women" being interviewed is totally valid and I addressed it respectfully above when I pointed out that:
"It very much depends on the context. "Ordinary" women - despairing parents, women sacked for their views can be exceptionally powerful speaking from the heart. But as we learnt in the early years of all this, you really have to have worked through the political issues & how to confront them, swiftly and concisely when interviewed - otherwise the word salad, "be kind" brigade drown out women's voices. I know it was a hard lesson for Nic Williams and Heather Brunskell Evans to learn. Not criticising them - both have learnt how to manage media interviews I know but it was hard at the time when their lack of clear answers resulted in views being ignored."

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I know it was a hard lesson for Nic Williams and Heather Brunskell Evans to learn. Not criticising them - both have learnt how to manage media interviews I know but it was hard at the time when their lack of clear answers resulted in views being ignored..

Yes I agree.

To Viques

Maybe you're unaware of how you come over - you could simply have added your suggestions without criticising others?

It isn't a criticism to say you dont understand others. If you want everyone to think like you, you need to explain why you think you are right.

At the moment you are just coming over as the old girls network, totally affronted that someone who isn't in the in group hasn't latched onto you group think.

I also know (having been involved in all this for more years than I care to remember) just how hard numerous women have had to work to secure a media presence and be able to argue in an articulate and clear way when interviewed.

And I also know having been involved for more years than I care to remember, that at all times (or in the past used to) there was an awareness that media choices are gate keeping.

And what might seem like a small victory to get "a" voice in the media, can in fact be a trap.

If you dont mind of course, that I have a different opinion to you, based on lived experience.

To repeat having a different experience isn't a criticism.

Why is it that you are so affronted by someone having a different opinion, and instead of thinking why that might be, just try to delfect it by categorising it as criticsm.

Iirc she couldn't be included as it was leaders of active clubs or something?

Stephanie Davies Arai of Transgender Trend is another quiet articulate woman who really understands the head fuckery of all this in relation to children and safeguarding & can handle media interviews.

It very much depends on the context. "Ordinary" women - despairing parents, women sacked for their views can be exceptionally powerful speaking from the heart. But as we learnt in the early years of all this, you really have to have worked through the political issues & how to confront them, swiftly and concisely when interviewed - otherwise the word salad, "be kind" brigade drown out women's voices. I know it was a hard lesson for Nic Williams and Heather Brunskell Evans to learn. Not criticising them - both have learnt how to manage media interviews I know but it was hard at the time when their lack of clear answers resulted in views being ignored..

FWR will only die when it is no longer needed - and that won't be for a long time (although it would be great if it wasn't needed at all).

The thread is doing some marvellous sportscasting...

Pressed too soon, I would like to know why she wasn’t included in the 100 Women of Sport. I am sure enough people nominated her. Despite that I think she has plenty to say about men in womens sport, really important to keep up the momentum what with Paris looming . It will be too late next summer when we are watching the swimming and the athletics and thinking WTF?

Sharron was bloody awesome

Sharron Davis

Alexa - show me an example of DARVO