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Now that some *men* are commenting, it's all changing over on Twitter...

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Qbishy · 29/07/2023 14:14

So Andrew Neil is tweeting about a detransitioner today, Richard Dawkins wrote that piece in the NS that has been shared and commented widely, and Wes Streeting has (kind of) apologised to Rosie Duffield.

It seems like now some men are getting in on the act, people are paying attention 🙄 I'm not criticising them, but honestly, WHERE HAVE THEY BEEN ALL THIS TIME???

Suzanne Moore is, understandably, furious now that Labour has (supposedly) changed its tune, having been terfed out (see what I did there) of the Guardian by Kath Viner. Helen Lewis equally fed up. As are many more women.

It's lovely that men are finally taking notice. But so incredibly frustrating that women's voices just don't count.

(One person on X posited that the tide turned when Elon Musk took it over and allowed wrongthink to be published... that could be the case, too.)

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Rudderneck · 29/07/2023 14:53

Qbishy · 29/07/2023 14:35

This isn't something that has had a male/female divide. Plenty of women are TRAs

That's not my point. My point is, these men are now saying things like "Oh god this is awful! How can this be happening?!" when women have been banging on about it for ages.

Maybe, for the longest while, they didn't think it was anything to do with them, or they kept their heads down for a quiet uncancelled life, or just didn't listen.

It's fabulous that the tide is turning. But please allow some of us a bit of a grump! And I didn't even lose a job or career because of it...

It's totally the point, you said women were talking, and men were not.

Actually, there were men talking and saying things. And lots of women TRAs.

We are not seeing more people, male and female, who are taking notice or speaking up.

Did you miss Glinner, Piers Morgan, Dawkins, Jordan Peterson, Simon Callow, among others? Or the many female TRAs who don't listen just like the male TRAs?

ArabeIIaScott · 29/07/2023 14:45

Sheisthedarkness · 29/07/2023 14:35

I don’t think that is especially fair.

There have been many men who have been ignored or pilloried for their views on this. What has changed is that in the UK media (and on twitter) a critical mass has been reached so you are seeing people who were previously able to ignore this issue out of fear or ignorance be drawn into it.

Sadly isn’t the case in NZ yet.

Well, thank fuck for whatever the reason.

Bring it all down. Get this bullshit genderpish out of our legal system, our NHS policies, our HR departments, our schools, police, media, and our cultural institutions.

Assert reality now. It's way past time.

Toseland · 29/07/2023 14:44

I'm glad more men are speaking up, good men should be standing up for their wives, children, mothers and all women.

BeBraveLittlePenguin · 29/07/2023 14:40

If I were Glinner I would be spitting. Wrong type of man, obviously.

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Qbishy · 29/07/2023 14:37

Sheisthedarkness · 29/07/2023 14:35

I don’t think that is especially fair.

There have been many men who have been ignored or pilloried for their views on this. What has changed is that in the UK media (and on twitter) a critical mass has been reached so you are seeing people who were previously able to ignore this issue out of fear or ignorance be drawn into it.

Sadly isn’t the case in NZ yet.

The good news is, that England is a cultural leader. (I am not saying Britain, because Wales and Scotland were captured, although hopefully that is now changing.)

When the dominos start falling here, they will be able to fall in other places.

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Qbishy · 29/07/2023 14:35

This isn't something that has had a male/female divide. Plenty of women are TRAs

That's not my point. My point is, these men are now saying things like "Oh god this is awful! How can this be happening?!" when women have been banging on about it for ages.

Maybe, for the longest while, they didn't think it was anything to do with them, or they kept their heads down for a quiet uncancelled life, or just didn't listen.

It's fabulous that the tide is turning. But please allow some of us a bit of a grump! And I didn't even lose a job or career because of it...

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Sheisthedarkness · 29/07/2023 14:35

I don’t think that is especially fair.

There have been many men who have been ignored or pilloried for their views on this. What has changed is that in the UK media (and on twitter) a critical mass has been reached so you are seeing people who were previously able to ignore this issue out of fear or ignorance be drawn into it.

Sadly isn’t the case in NZ yet.

JanesLittleGirl · 29/07/2023 14:30

TBF, men do let us know when they haven't been able listening to us, they answer with 'Yes dear'.

Rudderneck · 29/07/2023 14:28

I don't think that's it at all.

There have been men who had things to say about his all along. This certainly isn't the first time Dawkins has said something, and there are a fair number of others. There have also been lots of regular men on Twitter.

What you are seeing now is that there is an overall change of direction, more people are commenting in general. It's not just Wes Strreting that has changed his tune, Lisa Nandy has as well. I am sure there will be more and more.

This isn't something that has had a male/female divide. Plenty of women are TRAs.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 29/07/2023 14:26

These men need to ask themselves why they've been ignoring women for so long and listening to men who demand that women & children's boundaries, safety and privacy are removed to satisfy them?

Having said that, I'm relieved that things are shifting apace. Also looking forward to seeing the likes of Andrew Neil skewering Starmer, Ed Davey, Lammy & the rest about their definitions & previous claims. "So Sir Keir, tell us about this 1% of women you believe have penises? " 😄

RealityFan · 29/07/2023 14:22

NancyDrawed · 29/07/2023 14:20

I read somewhere that the part of the brain used by men when they hear women's voices is the same part used when they listen to music, which makes me think they really don't actively LISTEN when women speak, it's a more passive thing.

If true, it would explain the age old problem of a woman's suggestion being dismissed and the same thing, said in the same words by a man gets picked up.

It is a bit annoying though, this 'where have you women been, why haven't you been fighting this?' when there have been women speaking up for YEARS.

That said, I don't know how it could possibly apply to the written word!

Maybe as a man that's why I struggle with trans speaking. It's all so, well, shrill and discordant.

Rightsraptor · 29/07/2023 14:20

Yep, it really puts us women in our place. Not so different from those places where a woman's testimony is half that of a man's.

NancyDrawed · 29/07/2023 14:20

I read somewhere that the part of the brain used by men when they hear women's voices is the same part used when they listen to music, which makes me think they really don't actively LISTEN when women speak, it's a more passive thing.

If true, it would explain the age old problem of a woman's suggestion being dismissed and the same thing, said in the same words by a man gets picked up.

It is a bit annoying though, this 'where have you women been, why haven't you been fighting this?' when there have been women speaking up for YEARS.

That said, I don't know how it could possibly apply to the written word!

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