Andrew Neil has discovered Detrans kids - he is not happy

Men first list..

It’s not like we’ve been able to use accurate language to describe it

I know it’s not over yet but I’m so pissed at all those who tried to silence.

I have a good and brilliant list in mind and all the rotten, no one is talking about it men guest list too.

If we’re lucky our prize will be women get their stuff back. No one will truly apologise. Pathetic non apologies from craven politicians maybe.

no one would let people totally experiment on kids with known dangerous drugs, no one would be cutting the breasts off teen girls routinely
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Many also have zero idea about [Three Letter Acronym], and the idea seems so alien they can't imagine it.

And by complete coincidence, those are the issues - along with child safeguarding - that attract the swiftest deletions on here at the behest of the monitors. Accurately describe teen breast amputation surgery as what it is rather than the coy euphemism “top” surgery, and get a deletion. Discuss the Three Letter Acronym which must not be named, get a deletion.

"Cynically, I suspect he was aware. It's just now that he is certain which way the wind is blowing he can publicly state his views."
This. Although I'd be embarrassed to be an acclaimed journalist and pretend I hadn't known about all of this.

How could you not notice the Hannah Barnes book, for example?

Barnes’ book has had a lot less attention than I was expecting, given that it blows open a medical scandal involving children.

Perhaps he’s just getting round to his 2021 reading list. That’s the year when Helen Joyce’s book was published (and reprinted twice).

Plus it was a non apology and I don’t trust Starmer and Streeting

I can’t forget that easily. Others can if they want.

Too much misogyny and bullying

Doesn't matter in fact those are the ones we need the most. Any tra mp we turn is excellent for votes in future. No tribes or ideology just reality.

This! It bears repeating.

Streeting was part of the problem so no kudos here

Neil - Not up to date with his stuff but great

Is this it then? It the tide actually turning? I keep hoping so! Streeting and Neil are huge wins surely.

Yes, the medical scandal involving children it's a difficult one for people to truly grasp, I think. They do naïvely have faith in the medical profession.

But Neil definitely knew the ideology was bonkers. When the coop said they were going to withdraw their advertising from the spectator because of their coverage of transgender issues, he famously said go on then, fuck off and also, you'll never advertise with us again because we're not having our content dictated by our advertisers.

He is absolutely familiar with the ideology. It's difficult to believe that he was totally unaware of such a fundamental part of it.

As people are noticing, critical mass has at last been reached. At last.

More people will speak out. But it's the women, all those we are familiar with, Mumsnetters, JKR, KJK, Maya, Helen, Alison, Kathleen, etc, etc, who have written, yelled, tweeted and sobbed to create the mass.

Until I was banned from Twitter and radicalised by MN, I had no interest in the baffling and bewildering trans debate, felt it didn’t affect me, couldn’t understand why JKR’s thoughtful essay was “transphobic” but assumed if the people I mutually followed said it was then it must be.

So I can understand why so many professional rent-a-gobs are/have been completely silent on the trans debate. Those brave articulate women - Forstater, Stock, Joyce, Gaines, Bailey et al - have burst the dam.

Maybe he's been waiting for the moment of maximum impact.

Monty Python had a thorough understanding of this. It's odd that everyone else took such a long time to catch on.

Maybe he's been watching and waiting for the tide to turn on the levels of personal abuse people receive for believing in biology?

I would not underestimate how much the assumption that real abuse in the medical field would not happen in broad daylight can blind people.

I think even if you are reading something like The Spectator every day, if you really think, there must be some good medical thinking behind this or it wouldn't be allowed/so ubiquitous, no one would let people totally experiment on kids with known dangerous drugs, no one would be cutting the breasts off teen girls routinely - it is almost like you are reading a different article.

And for a lot of people that is a sticking point. The idea that could happen seems as absurd, impossible, as the idea that hospitals might openly remove people's eyes to sell to the rich, or conduct weird Frankenstein experiments.

Many also have zero idea about AGP, and the idea seems so alien they can't imagine it.

The media has been making it difficult for people to know this stuff.And again, many people assume, surely if this was going on it would be front and center in the major papers? Even the left leaning ones?

It's why when people peak, it's so fast and hard. But it involves destroying a lot of things people were sure about in terms of public institutions first.

Agree women have been speaking up for ages

But anyway welcome to join, keep going

Yes.

Although as ever, this whole situation is such a dark, sordid and horrific shitshow that it's never a good feeling to 'win'. It just means the catalogue of injustices may come to light and with any luck, come to a halt.

In any case, it can't happen soon enough.

Bring it, Andrew.

Agree with everybody who said that women were speaking but the men weren't listening.

Also agree with Hepwo about Twitter changing - Twitter under the previous administration either banned gender critical women altogether or found ways of hiding their tweets. If you weren't really paying attention, then I suppose it's possible you could miss all this. I have quite a lot of friends who are pretty clueless about what's happening - though that's not the same as someone in Andrew Neil's position being unaware. How could you not notice the Hannah Barnes book, for example?

Still, as Jesus said: "There will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance." So let's hope that Neil uses his power and influence to bring this to a wider public.

Or maybe Andrew Neil v someone from the party that's actually been in power while this has been happening?

Twitter has changed.

America is broadcasting children who are harmed to the world now.

This is the escalation everyone was working for.

It's got to keep getting bigger and bigger.

This x 1000

(Sexist) men don’t listen to women.

But I’m glad AN has finally woken up. I don’t particularly like him, but I think he’ll ask a lot of difficult questions and raise the issue.

Sometimes people only start to pay attention to the public debate when it unexpectedly comes to their own doorstep.

Andrew Neil doesn’t have any children of his own but according to wikipedia he has over a dozen godchildren.

Whatever made him take the time to listen to Chloe Cole, I’m glad he did.