Andrew Neil has discovered Detrans kids - he is not happy

Yes tbh the main horror is making kids especially girls infertile, active second is loss of sexual function which oddly people only care about when the young woman are not able to have sex.

Argh I hadn't seen that one and you're right.

Bloody hell how I hate that we have to use men's misogyny in order to fight other men's misogyny because no one listens to or cares about women for any other reason.

As for publicity over detransition.

It's quite simple: the narrative is 'look at how this beautiful young innocent woman has been ruined and now is less fuckable'.

The same narrative just doesn't work for young males.

I suspect that young girls are more susceptible to social contagion. Girls are socialised to fit in and conform. Whereas boys are encouraged to be individual and have confidence in doing their own thing. This creates a totally different pattern of influence.

Boys will be more likely to be influenced from an individual not necessarily in their direct social circle so it's less common. The very point is to 'be different' from their immediate peers. And then have a collective identity elsewhere. It's proudly attention seeking.

Girls are more likely to be influenced by their immediate social circle and all the accepted common interests of that group. To fit in they must conform to the standards that are presented to them. Therefore if a girl has short hair she 'must be lesbian or trans'. Also see 'not feminine looking enough'.

He instinctively is GC - but up until now it's probably been a side show for him.

He's grilled MPs on " what is a woman" on his Andrew Neil TV show, and also during the brief time he was with GB TV.

I agree on the 'this thing ive been ignoring needs addressing'

I have some not very coherent thoughts on why female detrans voices are getting more publicity than male detrans ones - though it may be as simple as female detransitioners are more common, given the cultural shifts of the past few years meaning that a previously tiny stable number of mostly male people considered to need 'treatment' for their gender nonconformity suddenly became ballooning waves of girls quite obviously caught in the crossfire of an oppressive fad.

In addition to fairness in women's sports, I think the situation regarding children is one of the most accessible for people to grasp once they allow a small amount of critical thinking in. Even people who don't have children are likely to feel an injustice and a sense of horror when they understand how children are being pulled towards changing their bodies in their belief that they are being their true selves, cheered on and encouraged by what they see in social media.

Detransitioner regret has been downplayed and silenced but (tragically) the number of detransitioners is now at a level where the lid can't be kept on any more.

Hopefully Andrew Neil will stumble across Transgender Trend for a deeper understanding of what's been happening to children. Perhaps he will also talk to the brilliantly articulate and knowledgeable Stephanie Davies-Arai and bring her on his show.

Yes, i think this is probably correct.

And i can't wait for him to get whatever tory minister in front of him who is allowing this to happen on their watch.

Now that the banks are behaving like arseholes to people all over the political spectrum, the rainbow smoke screen the big corps have been hiding behind is becoming very noticeable.

I’m glad that that everyone is peaking but the backlash is definitely coming and I’m ready to batten the hatches with the LGB. Thank fuck they’ve been sensible enough to start some orgs without the T because when Stonewall goes (and it’s going, I’m sure) the LGB Alliance will still be standing.

Well, @MrsOvertonsWindow I am up for being a raging terf.

Given that sunlight seems to be the arch nemesis of the TRAs, are we all now vampire slayers?

"I think it's hitting the entire circle and I suspect dinner parties are making for interesting conversations after sunset".

I was educated about the sins of "bonus holes" by some furious women dog walkers this week. One of their number recently died from cervical cancer and they were incensed about the insulting language - and from a women's cancer charity. It's evident that knowledge about the repeated overreach / language grab has spread widely into the population and everyone's turning out to be raging terfs 😄

I have a couple of friends in the industry. They know how much I've banged on about it for years. They were all 'let people be' and 'be kind'. Then the reeducation started and working with people demanding to be known by pronouns and being totally unreasonable in their behaviour - and the penny started to drop. Then I started talking about prisons and offending and gave them stats. And it dropped a bit more.

They are as 'lefty liberal' as you can imagine. BUT they are starting to object to toxic inexcusable behaviour which is hidden by rainbow washing.

I think it's hitting the entire circle and I suspect dinner parties are making for interesting conversations after sunset.

I was in a pub tonight meeting some old school friends, mostly childless (I think this is relevant) and trans issues came up. They were still fairly 'be kind' but one older man independently came up with detransitioner regret, and that this was something to be worried about.

I played a few disingenuous cards, wondering aloud about the number of children identifying as trans who are autistic, and the way that non binary for women seems to involve cross sex hormones and mastectomy and non binary men are much more long hair and eyeliner (it was a bit simplistic but I'd had three pints of cider by that point)

I can understand why even if he was aware of the general controversy that hearing the story of a detransitioner would be shocking, the testimonies of the young women and men affected by this medical scandal is a very confronting thing. It's not just a dry outdated tiny percentage figure of people for whom a medical treatment was ineffective, it is a real person who has suffered from an experimental medical "treatment".

I thought the trans stuff didn't make sense, but listening to long form first hand accounts was what made me certain that the medical industry had got this badly wrong and that people are putting so much faith in what are extreme and experimental treatments with no real safeguarding to make sure that the treatment is right for the individual. (Even if it could be right for some - which is not clear to me - how they can just let kids self ID into their diagnosis and not make sure that other groups of kids weren't getting caught up in it).

It seems obvious to us because we've already heard these young people speak.

Johnson hid in a fridge rather than face Neil.
Where are Rayner, Nandy and the rest gonna hide.

All we need to do now is bring back Brian Walden, Sir Robin Day and Jeremy Paxman to run the interviews alongside Neil.

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This is all very confusing, conservatives only care about the economy, people will vote labour because they are going to be better at the economy, conservative journalist in charge of conservative media writes about the economy.

Labour media won't write about gender , labour voters won't be persuaded by this issue.

It's the economy stupid.

Economist conservative is very honest and direct about the shame and shock.

Labour have rearranged a few words.

Back to;
No-one cares because of the economy.
the Tories still hate women, labour will be better with the economy.

Make it make sense!

Fan-fucking-tastic

Absolute bollocks that he didn't know what was going on but presumably a few women losing races to men/a few rotten apple transwo-men attacking women didn't set his alarms off 🙄
OTOH children being harmed did so at least there's that

He's an excellent win keep them coming 👏👏👏

I reckon that he has noticed this for some time... but has been doing research, getting clued up and prepared for onslaught of when he publically names the beast. JK Roing mentioned it in her podcast.... once she had personally peaked... she had to do the research and prepare herself before she went public. It's a big dragon to face.

💪💪💪 I'm a late entrant and am hugely grateful to all those who have been pulling before me. I'm also now pulling as hard as I can, as are many others who have joined since that was written 💪💪💪

@Froodwithatowel thank you for posting that article. A great read.

A bit of a stampede across the golden bridge?

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But without women tirelessly banging on and on and on, and writing to everybody and annoying everybody, and ensuring a whole lot of frothing on Twitter and screaming mobs whenever they meet to talk in a park or for an evening at a venue, this never would have happened.

Yes, it's infuriating that it's taken all this time, and that now Men Are Here, the tipping point is finally reached, but MN getting infamous is a huge, huge part of it. The time is coming when Justine's going to be owed All the Gin.

For journalists knocking about who have managed to have their fingers in their ears and their eyes shut, here's an article you may like to read now it's getting popular and edgy rather than dangerous to talk about: https://janeclarejones.com/2018/11/13/the-annals-of-the-terf-wars/

This. ^^ Written almost five years ago.

Lots and lots of verifiable stuff in there, but I'll quote the particularly relevant bit to me at the moment, although nearly five years later, 'women' needs replacing with 'men'

Women: What??? This can’t be right. Surely someone would have said something about this? Where are the feminists? Feminists, is this right?

Feminists: U-huh. We were trying to….

Women: What are the implications of this???

Feminists: montage of charts and essays

three weeks later

Women: Fuck this shit. We need to do something.

Feminists: YES. WE. DO.

From @Rudderneck :

'It's why when people peak, it's so fast and hard. But it involves destroying a lot of things people were sure about in terms of public institutions first.'

Wow, so true. No one would ever believe the NHS would actually do this unless there was evidence. Even now, you should hear the nonsense a pal of mine came out with a few weeks ago about prisons....' but there ARE some trans women who cannot go to men' s prisons because they will be MURDERED!!! '

however, I was quite bemused by AN's assertion that he did not know they were doing this to kids. Who doesn't know about JK Rowling? Who doesn't know about Elliot Page or Sam Smith? And he's a journalist??

Well, if he does feel ashamed hopefully he will be instrumental in lifting the lid on some of this. But I think it's more likely that it will all just.... stop. And no one will really know when, or why, just one day it will stop. And then everyone will kind of pretend it never happened.... and that they didn't know......

You know, there are still some people unaware of Rotherham. I know, I have had to inform people about it. I am a teacher. These were other teachers.....