Janice Turner on Labour u-turn

I don’t think it’s progress either. They’ve changed direction because it’s in their interest to do so - what is to stop them changing again if and when it suits them?

I desperately want a decent centre-left party to vote for, but Labour ain’t it. I can’t forgive and forget for how they’ve thrown women under the bus in recent years.

Yep. Surprised people are going with it.

Do you think that they've realised they stand to loose/have already lost a massive set of voters?!
Also I saw something today about 4 Labour MPs receiving large donations from a Trans lobby group?
ooh dear Labour!
As for Lisa Nandy, I am so disappointed in her. I don't think I can trust Labour again.

I don't think it's progress. It's two faced shitheads lying to save their skins. Lying to transpeople claiming to support them when they thought that was "in" and now lying to us claiming to support us.
They'd sell their own grandmother if it got them into power.
Pathetic.

Given it mentions Angela Rayner is still mired in transactivism and also that she has the potential to be the first female leader, I would be very wary. That said, Labour have never had a female leader, so it’s not as if they’re likely to elect one any time soon.

Harriet Harman turned into a decent enough politician, having been (with full hindsight) bizarrely swayed into supporting PIE. Lisa Nandy may well have been swayed by young Labour, or whoever. It’s pretty obvious that happened in the SNP, where young people were highly valued and thus the situation was ripe for infiltration.

It is progress. What this whole debate has taught me is that people in power can be incredibly stupid and refuse to see what's staring them in the face. I can count on two hands the MPs I really respect now. I think it's significant Wes Streeting has seen the writing on the wall, he's a very astute politician and he's seen which way the wind is blowing. I have so little respect for any of them, I really struggle with their lack of critical thinking. If they're so crap on something I know about, what on Earth are they doing over stuff I know nothing about?

Oh it's definitely cynical. But we know the Tories are not generally on the side of women.

I want to vote labour. I'm just not there yet.

The optimist in me is starting to think politicians are learning that ignoring women for some trendy activists doesn't bring home the vote and so I may be able vote based on health, education and the economy and not worry about biological facts that should be a given.

But there's a big but. What about the Lib Dem's? What happens in a lib/coalition? Will women's rights be sacrificed for the sake of a cosy pact? I'm not confident that they wouldn't be.

Oh I still don't trust them I'm deciding nothing until I've seen what happens at the conference and read their manifesto.

I thought all her shite was based on "a young trans person in my constituency".
Stupid cow, who hasn't even got the courage of her deluded convictions.

yes, I'm torn because I genuinely respect Janice Turner's opinion and she seems to give this some weight.

It just feels so cynical to me though. I don't believe it

and to have wilfully ignored the shit show that is medical experiments on children? how can I trust these people?

Spot on Bernard. Despite their frantic denials this HAS been coming up on the doorstep and the shitshow of transitioning children, Cass and the impossibility of sounding like a grown up / decent human being while defending Stonewall, Mermaids etc has finally arrived on their doorstep.

I respect Janice's opinion on and, if she's correct about Labour Women's Declaration having a place at the conference then I think that's significant. I will wait and see what happens.

Lisa Nandy is now claiming she'd been 'unduly swayed' by young trans activists in her team.

What a pathetic excuse. Anyone with an ounce of intelligence or even the ability to read should have very quickly seen what they were up to and given them the boot.

That really won't wash, Lisa.

Janice seems prepared to accept that this is progress. I suppose it is.

it's very hard to forgive though.

and it taught me a hard lesson about just how much of a shit politicians give about women's rights. They care about what they think will buy them power and influence. The end.

This is progress:
"This year Labour Women’s Declaration, a group created to defend the Equality Act, will hold a fringe event with shadow cabinet speakers inside the main conference centre, advertised in the official programme".

They were barred at last conference.