How much do you think trans issues will impact the election outcome?

"we didn't throw them out!" <unspoken>We just made sure we destroyed their credibility to the point it was impossible for them to be effective so their only choice was capitulation, public failure or leaving.</unspoken>

Ah, the familiar mantra of sexism.

Really hard to know op

Look at what happened at last election, an issue reared its head for Labour - antisemitism. I doubt they had that polling high beforehand

On CoL and green issues Labour are a bit mixed up, eg with the ULEZ bit scrambling with Khan on cost for people

Immigration may be a factor but depends if people just vote reform as a protest

Hard to call at this point

Plus I was listening to a focus group thing on Times radio, the level of political engagement can be pretty low

Now Starmer is lying about protecting women's spaces and adult females, it'll attract the election a bit less.

I suspect that many women will be asking the questions on the door step. The message will be getting back to party leadership that this is an issue that is being raised. Doing this will have an effect.

I suspect it already has done in the three seats that had elections recently and from what we have seen this week. Women were out there discussing it with people and leafletting in those three seats. so it will have been brought up on door steps more and more.

whitewave · Today 16:40
The election will be won on a couple of issues. First the economy, and then health, and rather depressingly migration.
gender issues are not something the average punter gets wound up about.

You are probably right but there are more people scattered around who are concerned about this, and what is being taught in schools in pshe, than may be realised. This will make some sort of difference to the outcome.

*"They ejected lots of women from the party. " is not true.

Women may have chosen to resign; they were not thrown out of the party on this issue.*

How about 'women were levered out '?

It's a deal breaker for me - in the last election I spoiled my vote for the first time ever, as all the left-wing parties were TWAW, and I won't vote tory.

But I'm sure I'm in a tiny minority.

Once you tell women that they are being erased as a sex class , they'll notice. Might not prioritise but they'll notice. And Labour has not confirmed that single sex means single biological sex.

Labour wins if it gets the vote out. If women don't show up in enough numbers, Labour doesn't win

It's the only thing Labour is still weak on.

There is a far higher percentage than that of people who identify as trans so you seem to have discounted all of them and their bloody stuff too!

If any of my local candidates stands on a pro woman ticket I am highly likely to vote for them, as is my dd. DH not so much.

its about women who are 51% of the population being legally redefined to mean “adult human female plus men with lady feelings”
meaning that at a stroke every single sex space, programe to support women & any ability to quantify the impact of policy on for women disappears

women are not a costume for entitled men to put on

Lots of people, including the 3 people eligible to vote in my household, disagree with you I'm afraid.

I think realistically only about 0.00001% if the population think trans issues are actual issues.
There are far more important issues in this country then bloody trans stuff.

But we don't know if they did or didn't. IIRC the report (led by Miliband?) on the post-Corbyn loss of the 2019 election didn't address this at all. And they're not likely to volunteer this data so we just don't know either way, and probably never will.

Karen Ingala Smith was barred entry from the Labour Party for her views. https://kareningalasmith.com/2020/06/27/why-i-was-rejected-for-labour-party-membership-and-my-response/

I think there’s potential for it to be used by the Conservatives as one of the things that make Labour look both authoritarian and out of touch, along with issues like bank accounts and sex education.

Sunak did well to proclaim his belief that a woman is an adult human female and not get drawn into a messy debate. It makes me wonder how they will deploy the Starmer penis/cervix comments closer to the election.

The Daily Mail has harped on the Farage bank story - which I can’t help feeling has quite a broad reach- and they keep up a steady drip of gender madness stories as well. I think some of the dangers to children of gender ideology are starting to get through, and people who are under pressure financially will be open to wondering why Labour is messing about trying to control people’s thinking instead of talking about actual policies.

i don’t think the GC vote alone will swing much, but gender issues as part of a bigger picture - who knows.

"They ejected lots of women from the party. " is not true.

Women may have chosen to resign; they were not thrown out of the party on this issue.

Kemi Badenoch is MP for Saffron Walden - very comfortable majority, Miriam Cates in Pennistone has less of a majority

"All a load of fuckwits" is a very grave generalisation. Kemi and Miriam and others have been brilliant on the issue, and they understad it it too.

I'm not sure what difference you think that Labour will make to the issues you have mentioned? I get that those are the issues that motivate people, but also think a lot of people are going to be very disappointed if they are expecting major change. They've already said they need at least two terms in office.

I think Labour might be in for a surprise, I (hope and) don't think they will win.
They ejected lots of women from the party. They have lost life-long voters over this. Also I wonder what it's like in their 'red wall' - muslim and christian parents in Canada are beginning to stand up and protest, will UK parents too?

I live in a safe Tory seat, where Labour don't even canvass or leaflet. The Lib Dem candidate is a nice guy who has done more for locals as a councillor than the never present Tory MP ever has .... but how can I vote for him?

I think it will have a marginal influence overall. There are too many other big issues. Speaking personally, however, while I’d never vote Tory, unfortunately Labour’s mealy mouthed nonsense and often downright hostility on the issue means I’m not going to vote for them either despite them belatedly catching up with the problems with a twaw policy. Maybe if they were a bit more inspiring on how to fix the multiple shitshows were experiencing I’d give them a chance, it honestly they seem just desperate to not lose any votes by saying anything interesting.

I’ve always voted Lib Dem but they’re a definite no due to this issue.

So I can’t see me voting for any of them - or green, of course.

So it is a decisive issue for me but overall I can’t see it cutting though the other issues in a big way.

Not hugley - but the temperature will have been raised and there will be no escape for Labour when it comes to this isue. They will be interrogated every step of the way.

We’ve got two years to make it a big issue