How much do you think trans issues will impact the election outcome?

I think this issue will impact Labour at the ballot box.

Not so much because people will vote on this single issue (although I know several Lab voters who will withhold their vote on this very issue). More that their whole handling of the subject makes Keir look foolish and weak. He cannot define what a woman is, he flip flops, his party is riven with angry division, turning a blind eye to misogynistic abuse of Rosie Duffield, not knowing what a cervix is etc.

It certainly doesn’t inspire confidence in any wavering voters.

I'm not voting at all, which makes me so sad. But I can't vote for the Conservatives, and I won't vote for Labour as long as they believe TWAW, and the Lib Dems and the Greens are either not clear, or worse, with their TWAW beliefs, so there's nowhere to turn really. I never, ever thought I would be a single issue voter, but this issue is so important, both now, and to the rights of future generations of girls and women, that for me it is an over-riding issue.

And Lisa Nandy saying she was misled by young supporters - or something like that

Does anyone know when she said this? I’ve tried googling and can find no mention of it except in JT’s article.

I am starting to feel a LITTLE optimistic that Labour under KS is beginning to smell the coffee. It was interesting that Wes Streeting who is very politics-smart, apologised to Rosie Duffield last week. And Lisa Nandy saying she was misled by young supporters - or something like that - was a good moment. But does anyone else feel absolutely despairing about the Lib Dems? They seem very captured with Ed Davey in charge and in my constituency it's between them and the Tories.

@Helleofabore I wasn't answering the question 'what do you think is right?' Or 'how will you vote?'

And as one mumsnetter has found to their detriment, whether the service has funding or not, if they cannot use a service that provides a single sex space - they are excluded from the vital help they need anyway.

Your argument misses that significant point. Hardly ‘inclusive’ is it? And have you noticed women have resorted to starting their own again?

Those ‘traditional, older Labour voters’ worship at the altar of the NHS and saving it (whatever that means) will be their absolute overriding concern. When you’ve been waiting 18 months for a hip replacement and your neighbour was lying on the kitchen floor for 6 hours waiting for an ambulance after a fall you are less likely to vote for the party that’s been in power for the past 13 years (and under which all the trans nonsense has flourished largely unopposed by government anyway). There’s also a lot of rumours locally about graft around a multi-million “levelling up fund” that her and her husband happen to be on the managing committee of.

@OvaHere she campaigned very heavily in the local elections yet the conservatives got wiped out (only 2 remaining councillors I think). The state of the NHS and the cost of living crisis/wage stagnation are considered rather more important locally. Remember that the red wall only lent their votes to the conservatives to ‘get Brexit done’ and to keep Corbyn out. It was never going to be a more permanent arrangement. Of course she could get parachuted into a safer seat, although the Tory candidates will be fighting like rats in a sack over those.

We badly need a change of government, as far as I am concerned, but I cannot and will not vote for any party that seeks to undo 150 years of hard won women's rights.

Which, where I live, leaves me the choice of spoiling my ballot paper or staying at home. 🙁

He's referring to all the mugs who he can get money off. He's finding that demographic irresistible.

Maybe that the likes of Keir "Germaine Greer is a transphobe" Junior, still wet behind the ears, who just won in Selby, is the future of politics. Activist, groupthink apparatchik.

I think we'll look in two decades time at the likes of MPs today and say they weren't quite so bad.

Because Keir Jnr is the future. Entrenched well educated misogyny at the heart of Labour policy making.

Nothing. Just more meaningless words.

I suspect Cates’ GC position appeals far more to traditional, older Labour voters than Labour’s recent and current one.

What does he mean by "the demographics are irresistible?"

https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1685179840222425088?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

The future will respect and dignify trans people - the demographics are irresistible. Labour has revealed itself - but it will not change that future. Solidarity with my trans friends.

He must have read this in his tea leaves this morning.

I expect he's now setting up half a dozen new crowdfunding projects. A lovely new revenue raising stream, having a go at Labour.

Badenoch would be great. Straight talking. She makes some nervy for a reason.

Tory MPs will crawl over broken glass to stop Badenoch or Cates getting to the final two for members to vote on. Labour politics is pretty distasteful, but the Tories have venal down to a fine art.

From my POV, if Tories elect a Shapps, Dowden, Ellwood, Mordaunt etc, they can wave goodbye to 2028 and likely every GE in the 2030s.

Presumably Sunak will stand down if the Tories lose the next election. If Labour win It would be great to see KB as leader of the opposition. She’d definitely keep KS on his toes in relation to gender reform.

As a previous poster commented, I'm sure Starmer is basically weak tea GC, but as a typical man, thought he could "front" this out, and wimmins issues were kinda beneath him.

But he's found out, first SNP/Bryson, and recent school safeguarding/hidden transing stories, the public are animated over this.

And he's done the maths. 0.5% of electorate are trans voters versus 51% of electorate are females. And as the master of tortoise slow progress to final policy positions and flip flopping to Olympic standards, this is totally consistent from him.

It seems evident that the private polling / focus groups must have indicated to labour that this is an issue that people are concerned about.
We always knew that the trans overreach in targeting children would eventually do for them. Especially given the sheer number of fetishists, sex offenders and entitled males who so openly share socially unacceptable views about VAWG, porn and children while claiming allegiance to the trans cause.
The safeguarding implications of all this are now in the open and reactions like Andrew Neil's will only increase in number until politicians all start prioritising child safeguarding and women's rights to privacy, safety & dignity:

https://twitter.com/afneil/status/1685029046915063808

That's a very good point. Millions of "anyone but the Tories" voters will tactically vote, depending on who's the best bet in their area.

A real chance of a resurgent LDs, a few Greens, and Labour with the biggest number of seats but no overall majority. The Tories a rump.

The LDs and Greens will extract their pound of flesh, demands for PR voting (likely not even to go to a referendum) and Self ID or something close to it.

The majority of Labour want both of these things, Starmer could only resist by quitting, and that won't happen.

My biggest concern is that this is how we end up with coalitions which I think are worse than one party with a majority. I'd rather have Labour outright than Labour in a coalition with other minority parties.

A lot of what happened with the SNP was due to the outsize influence of Harvie and the Greens because they needed him to form a government.

Exactly

Posters have been saying no one cares for ages now, no help there, just trying to silence women.

But they have decided to look like there’s a shift, still suspect as anything, but if it was a non issue they’d still not bother.

Starmer, vote for me.
I'm just a bit more competent than the other guy, just a bit less corrupt, just a bit more principled, just a tad more sensible.

And tbh, despite my GC and Tory roots, it was not a year ago that Sunak point blank refused to answer "So Mr. Chancellor, can you define what is a woman?"

My disquiet with TRA era Labour is as nothing to my disgust with a CONSERVEative Party that won't conserve.

13-14 years. Achieved nothing on the trans front in our civic institutions. Now Labour is making the mood music change equivalent to the Tories when the May/Miller/Mordaunt TRA axis was defeated by Badenoch and co. back in 2018/19.

Totally disagree. Everyone I know in real life is planning to vote Conservative because of one or more of the following:

1. Labour’s slavish following of transextremism / contempt for women who raise concerns eg LGB Alliance and Rosie Duffield. The wishy-washy weak retraction wasn’t explained properly and looks like a trick;
2. Taxing private education. Like it or not a huge number of voters are concerned about this, and not just those who use private schools but also those who work in them. Our local independent is the biggest employer in our town;
3. Rishi Sunak. He’s turned the party around, has integrity and comes across as more competent than Starmer.

I really want to like Starmer but he’s spent too long trying to play politics instead of telling me what he stands for. If Boris Johnson taught the country one thing it’s that politics is a personality contest. And there Starmer is badly losing to Sunak which is a shame.