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We'd like to see more art by women in our galleries

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ArtforallbyallwithArtActivistBarbie · 27/07/2023 10:34

Hello all
If you went into a number of our public galleries you could be forgiven for thinking that only white men ever painted in the past, and like all of us who have thought that, you'd be wrong! Even in the middle ages, women painted, and as the centuries went by, more and more women fought against the odds to paint.

In the National Gallery, of 1056 paintings on display, do you know how many are by women?

Eight. Yes Eight. Less than 1%

At the moment, government places no requirement on the galleries they fund to address inequalities in their collections. ArtActivistBarbie and ArtforAllbyAll are trying to change this.

Please please help us persuade them by signing our petition!

https://www.change.org/ArtByEveryone

Sign the Petition

Tell government we want more art by women on our gallery walls!

https://www.change.org/ArtByEveryone

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ArtforallbyallwithArtActivistBarbie · 03/08/2023 19:31

Great to hear all your comments and glad you enjoyed the NPG MaybeDoctor. We had a great day out promoting our petition in Trafalgar Square today. Lots of women and girls posed as artists outside the National Gallery and had their photo taken for our 'Women Paint Too' poster which we plan to present to the NG. Some nice pics here
https://twitter.com/ArtforAllbyAll/status/1687149001789902859?s=20

https://twitter.com/ArtforAllbyAll/status/1687149001789902859?s=20

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EBearhug · 01/08/2023 18:56

Today I went to the Russell-Cotes in Bournemouth, to the Lucy Kemp-Welch exhibition, which I enjoyed and recommend. (And then I went in the sea.)

MaybeDoctor · 01/08/2023 17:42

Perhaps I should have said: '...British Crown involvement in the horrific trade in enslaved people.' Slavery was certainly mentioned by the NPG on the Charles I label, although I didn't note the exact wording.

This article says regarding Charles I: 'The king granted a monopoly licence to the reconstituted Guinea Company in 1632 to transport enslaved people.'

The British kings and queens who supported and profited from slavery | Monarchy | The Guardian

But we are getting off art and women...anyway, I liked the revitalised NPG and it certainly felt like a nod in the right direction.

The British kings and queens who supported and profited from slavery

From Elizabeth I to William IV, over a period of 270 years monarchs had links to the slave trade

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/apr/06/the-british-kings-and-queens-who-supported-and-profited-from-slavery

Grammarnut · 31/07/2023 20:09

Charles II, surely, not Charles I? But the African Trading Company did not lead to the slave trade, it already existed and had been going on in Africa since c.700 AD - and before that, of course, since the Romans and Egyptians slaved, as well as the Vikings (whose hairstyles might have been copied by coastal Africans) and the Arabs. The arrival of Portuguese traders c.1490 opened a new market for slaves, opening up the West coast as well as slaving to the North, to the Ottoman Empire (which also took slaves from Europe) and also through Zanzibar, to the East, which slaved to India and the Middle East. These trades were run by Arabs and local tribal chieftains.

MaybeDoctor · 31/07/2023 16:35

@ArtforallbyallwithArtActivistBarbie
Well, I was as good as my word and did get up to the National Portrait Gallery.

I really enjoyed my visit and there was definitely a bit more emphasis on women, although perhaps I wouldn't have noticed if I wasn't looking out for it iyswim?

Exhibits that caught my eye from a feminist point of view were:

The 15th C portrait of Margaret Beaufort (mother of Henry VII) did not shy away from highlighting that she gave birth to him at 13 and mentioned that it was the first known full-length oil painting of a woman.

A self-portrait miniature by a female artist, born without arms and legs, who taught herself to paint with her mouth in order to earn a living.

There was a gallery of contemporary women (Cate Blanchett, Adele etc) by women photographers, but you had to walk past an absolutely giant full-frontal female nude to get to it. 🙄

The ground floor gallery Modern History Makers has a kind of enormous collage wall of women, called 'Work in Progress', portraying and naming influential women. It was good to see it there, although I wasn't wowed by it artistically.

On another note, I am glad that the NPG has kept the 'messaging' within its signs fairly minimal. It's there and rightly so - for example a portrait of Charles I mentions that he founded the African Trading Company which led to the horrific trade in enslaved people - but it doesn't seem overly dominant. Whereas some galleries seem to find a 'teachable moment' in every painting, looking at you Courtauld Gallery.

Grammarnut · 29/07/2023 20:37

I too like Caravaggio and Turner etc but I do not see why there should be a lack of women painters. Afaik the National Gallery has some Vigee le Brun's and some women Impressionists - why not more?

Grammarnut · 29/07/2023 20:36

Sausagenbacon · 27/07/2023 10:50

no. Do I want to see less Caravaggio, Botticelli, Durer etc, to fit your political agenda? No.
In the Middle Ages, painters were members of guilds, who strictly controlled entry, and who definitely wouldn't have allowed women to join. So I would like to know where you get that misconception from.

You are mistaken about guilds. Women could join, and there were guilds for women's occupations. A woman could run her deceased husband's business (or run it in his absence) and become a master of the guild. She wouldn't have taken public office in the guild, however, nor been eligible for election to a parliament.

LlynTegid · 29/07/2023 14:20

Dulwich Picture Gallery has an exhibition of works by the Impressionist painter Berthe Morisot currently. Very worth visiting.

Appleofmyeye2023 · 29/07/2023 12:43

For those interested in women’s art, that haven’t come across it, I recommend women’s art on twitter - can’t link as MN is seeing it as error so will need to search under “at..womensart1”
all media
all centuries
really nice stream

what twitter can be at its best…

Dissidente · 29/07/2023 12:37

MaybeDoctor · 29/07/2023 09:00

Great thread, which has inspired me to get up to the National Portrait Gallery soon.

On the subject of boys (and girls?) taking art at A-Level and beyond, there was an interesting report a few years ago which found that a fine-art degree was the only degree that had a negative impact on post-graduation earnings. You were less employable for having studied it!

I will look for the link.

Something about the leisure activities of the wealthy not paying well.
Or that people in (I guess the UK) don't value the work of young living artists. That's a problem across the arts - music, literature, dance, theatre, but maybe art is worse.

ArtforallbyallwithArtActivistBarbie · 29/07/2023 12:27

I really enjoyed Philip Mould’s Art in Isolation and was impressed that a number of the pieces he collected were by women artists.

Yes, he did a great exhibition last summer of Sarah Biffin, previously pretty unknown. https://philipmould.com/exhibitions/31-without-hands-the-art-of-sarah-biffin/ Private collectors like him could have a huge impact on creating markets for women artists.

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ArtforallbyallwithArtActivistBarbie · 29/07/2023 11:33

OP, sounds like a really interesting campaign. Is there a newsletter, or something?

Thanks! We have a website www.artforallbyall.org and we're on Twitter @ art for all by all and @ barbie reports
And we're keeping everyone updated via the petition site

Art for all, by all

http://www.artforallbyall.org

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MaybeDoctor · 29/07/2023 09:00

Great thread, which has inspired me to get up to the National Portrait Gallery soon.

On the subject of boys (and girls?) taking art at A-Level and beyond, there was an interesting report a few years ago which found that a fine-art degree was the only degree that had a negative impact on post-graduation earnings. You were less employable for having studied it!

I will look for the link.

ArtforallbyallwithArtActivistBarbie · 29/07/2023 08:40

'What we are told is 'great art' is hugely governed by what the directors of public galleries and acquisition committees decide to buy. When we don't see paintings by women, I hold them far more responsible than a medieval guild for women's under representation in public galleries.'

Exactly, which is what we're trying to do with our petition.
It's amazing that galleries funded by the dept of Culture media and sport are not required to address inequality in representation. Galleries funded by the Arts Council, however, are. We want DCMS to change their policy, so if you care about this, and it looks like many of you do, please do sign the petition!
https://www.change.org/ArtByEveryone

Sign the Petition

Tell government we want more art by women on our gallery walls!

https://www.change.org/ArtByEveryone

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EBearhug · 28/07/2023 22:13

If anyone goes to Dulwich for Berthe Morisot, they also have a room of Mary Beale portraits from the later 17th century. She made the money by painting and her husband supported her in doing so.

IveHadItUpToHere · 27/07/2023 20:42

Not to disparage sausage's opinion but they can close their eyes, both literally and metaphorically, to work from female artists if they choose. Their views are irrelevant to the facts regarding the exclusion of female artists from galleries.

Thanks for the petition and for all that you do OP.

SideBob · 27/07/2023 20:36

QueenCamilla · 27/07/2023 12:06

On the flip side, there's a huge issue with boys not taking art at gcse and alevel

Hm, that doesn't seem to be a barrier to any young man deciding to push his wares in the art world? I'd have to find a more worthy cause to worry about.

As someone who loves art and did GCSE, the idea that we should be encouraging more children to take art is bonkers.

Taking it at A-Level and beyond limits your choices. We do not need more people doing it. But it's a wonderful talent to have.

Dissidente · 27/07/2023 20:21

Thanks @Joyous

YetAnotherSpartacus · 27/07/2023 20:19

It was great, for those of a certain age it was a grown up “Vision On”/”Take Hart”, and the context of all the artwork, particularly the first series, was the early days of the pandemic and lockdown

I will have to chase it up. I really enjoyed Philip Mould’s Art in Isolation and was impressed that a number of the pieces he collected were by women artists.

JoyousAsOtters · 27/07/2023 19:54

Plus Paula Rego at the moment - making it 9 out of more than a thousand.

Dissidente · 27/07/2023 18:43

MyLadyDisdainlsYetLiving · 27/07/2023 16:37

I’m agreeing with OP, I’m not sure I’m following this post if it’s aimed at me.

I like all kinds of art, but the sort of oil paintings and technically advanced drawing techniques using materials that can survive for centuries, done by women, is important. It's that which is absent from the National Gallery.

When we think about it in those terms, that's a different conversation than displaying tapestry and small personal works.

JoyousAsOtters · 27/07/2023 17:33

There was a fantastic group exhibition of female abstract artists at the Whitechapel earlier this year. Called Action, Gesture, Paint. It’s in Arles over the summer at the Van Gogh foundation, so if you are in the South of France it will definitely be worth a look:

https://www.fondation-vincentvangogh-arles.org/en/exposition/brouillon-auto-2/

Fondation Vincent van Gogh à Arles - Action, Gesture, Paint Women Artists and Global Abstraction (1940–70)

https://www.fondation-vincentvangogh-arles.org/en/exposition/brouillon-auto-2/

lordloveadog · 27/07/2023 17:32

Why aren't the beautiful tapestries and other textiles women produced displayed in galleries as artworks?

MyLadyDisdainlsYetLiving · 27/07/2023 16:37

Dissidente · 27/07/2023 15:41

@MyLadyDisdainlsYetLiving wrote: "While a lot of art such as fine portraits or sculptures are judged and admired because of their technical merits, I now prefer to consider art as something creative that provokes a reaction".

There is plenty of merit in that. But I think the OP IS concerned with art that does wexist not being displayed as part of the historical record. The points about women not having opportunities to train in technical detail; or working in transient media; or producing great art anonymously; all those are lost from history.

I’m agreeing with OP, I’m not sure I’m following this post if it’s aimed at me.

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