Looks like Italy have banned surrogacy

Errol will burn them fascists with her dragon flames

think it’s great that surrogacy has been banned

babies should not be bought and sold neither should women’s bodies

It is wonderful to see posters who are deriding people supposedly for being fascists through bizarre ‘agreeing with one law change’ connections missing the glaring fact that by doing so, using the same logic, those posters support the commoditisation of infants, and the rental of women’s bodies. They fully support exploitation of other humans!

Yet feel such a wonderful glow making ridiculous posts effectively calling people Fascist for declaring making those same acts illegal….

The hypocrisy is wild here.

@JanesLittleGirl yeah, that might be a touch of hyperbole 😂

@NotBadConsidering I don’t think it’s mutually exclusive, but tell me what else Mussolini was renowned for (outside of being a murderous facist dictator)

@ErrolTheDragon Where do you draw the line at cheering on fascists? Will it only be when they come for you?

It's good news. No human should ever be for rent or sale.

Is this the fastest invoking of Godwins Law on this board ever?

How do you get through life with such polarised and absolutist thinking? You must struggle so much. Are you now so anxious that you cannot support any organisation or person in the world, just in case they don’t fully live up to the purity you demand in all aspects of life?

How in the world is saying ‘this is good news, now they need to fix other things’, in anyway worthy of vilification? Except if you support surrogacy maybe….

I take it you're in favour of commoditising babies, @LemonLymanDotCom? Can you explain why? And presumably you've no concerns about the problems particularly inherent in sourcing babies overseas?

So all the people who have been telling me that the Tories are literally fascists have been lying 'cos the trains definitely don't run on time here.

Is railway efficiency a fascist government trait?🤔 Someone tell the Swiss, quick!

I think the collective may be back.

Have you got anything intelligent to add to the discussion @LemonLymanDotCom or are you just going to shout nazi scum?

And don’t forget, Mussolini made the trains run on time…. Fascism isn’t all bad, right?

Oh we’re back in the times of ‘Hurrah for the Blackshirts’ again?
Oh goody!

🙄

Good. I don't agree with surrogacy under any circumstances.

The inherent risk of pregnancy means that there is never a risk free surrogacy and to me, no, surrogacy is never acceptable. Creating a baby for the specific purpose of gestating it in another women and handing that baby over like a product (even to a loved friend or family member) is wrong because this is a child. Not to be commoditised in any way.

Women can agree with the Italian government on this issue while acknowledging that their laws need work in other areas.

Excellent news. Surrogacy is abhorrent.

The Italian government IS doing good things. For example, it just banned surrogacy and seeking surrogates outside of the country.

It is also doing some bad things.

This is the same as every government ever 🙄.

With all the threads on this forum that discuss left wing/right wing, whether it’s surrogacy, trans or whatever, I genuinely wonder how some people cope in real life being unable to accept realities of differences.

Agree with the surrogacy ban, just because people disagree with other decisions the government has made doesn't mean they are all wrong decisions.

Yes.

And I agree with @ErrolTheDragon .

When rich, privileged women start being surrogates for poor deprived women I'll change my mind til then I believe banning surrogacy completely is correct. Carrying and birthing babies can have devastating life long complications for a woman's physical and mental health. No should do it for anyone else.

Just sticking the screen shot in for posterity.

Maybe not... but this particular ban is international surrogacy which has increased ethical problems.

I know it's an unpopular opinion on MN but I don't believe that surrogacy is always a bad thing.

You can't see things in isolation through tunnel vision.

Agree. It's far better to conflate issues and derail threads. Way more fun!

Back to the OP, this is an interesting turn of events. Presumably there will be appeals to the ECHR and so on, which will be worth watching.

The harms of surrogacy are barely known to the general population, so how far some of that starts to become known will also be interesting to see. It's been glamourised and glossed over for so long, that it'll be quite hard to get facts out. Even the Ukraine situation didn't change much. But let's see.

So banning surrogacy is a good thing if the government is left wing but bad if a government is right wing?