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First “out trans player” at Women’s World Cup

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ThomasinaLivesHere · 26/07/2023 22:12

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66299441

I just don’t get it. It’s a woman playing in the World Cup, the Women’s World Cup and they’re non-binary which just means they go by they/them and don’t identify as a woman and this is a celebration? Anyone to question it is closed minded? Didn’t people used to get recognised for achieving something or at least for overcoming actual obstacles.

'Historic' - the World Cup's first out trans player

There is much discussion to be found about transgender athletes in sport. In Australia and New Zealand, one has been helping drive their country's bid for World Cup glory.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66299441

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Figment1982 · 27/07/2023 10:49

Jujubes5 · 27/07/2023 10:39

Is she on testosterone?

No.

Jujubes5 · 27/07/2023 10:39

Is she on testosterone?

Beowulfa · 27/07/2023 10:28

If this non-binary shit actually meant anything, Quinn would have respectfully declined a place on the team, on account of the Mens/Womens competitions representing a binary division. Which Quinn couldn't possibly have anything to do with, being definitely not a man or a woman.

I therefore conclude that non-binaryness is a load of old bollocks.

FatherJackHackettsUnderpantsHamper · 27/07/2023 10:25

It shows people who watch sport that you can be non-binary and still play fantastic sport.

It's a personal belief system - makes as much sense as saying "You can be a Hindu/vegan/Lib-Dem supporter and still play fantastic sport".

It's not a physical challenge or limitation that would affect your playing in any way, like being e.g. blind, diabetic or 93 years old.

viques · 27/07/2023 10:16

Brk · 26/07/2023 22:31

Transactivists who work in the media are desperately searching for attractive female ‘trans’ people to turn the coverage around trans issues away from the sex crimes committed by certain transwomen. The activists don’t want trans coverage in the media to be about rapes by transwomen, they want us applauding unthreatening sports heroes who they can claim
are trans.

🙄

Yup, it’s a bait and switch. We’ve seen it before.

So skinny little transwomen like Dylan Mulvaney are seen as the acceptable face of “be kind”. Object to this tiny weird person using your toilets and changing rooms! Goodness me, they would be more likely to give you a quick make up fix and some maybelline samples than threaten you or hurt you, stop being so transphobic, they are just trying to live their brave life and perfect their cats eye liner flick.

Except that next time it’s not an underweight little Dylan clone in the changing room with you, it’s a six foot tall man in pink satin and a doubtful wig with a police record of sexual assaults and other violence against women, or a man whose sexual fetish about being a woman means they think they are entitled to have access to changing rooms where 16 year old competitive swimmers are changing, or a misogynist TRA who thinks wanking over the toilet seat will persuade mouthy women to get back in their boxes.

BaronMunchausen · 27/07/2023 09:50

MattDamon · 27/07/2023 07:04

The UK commentator for Canada's first game repeatedly referred to Quinn as 'she' which was refreshing. Haven't seen any calls for him to be sacked or punched in the face yet, oddly...

Quinn recommends practising using gender neutral pronouns in front of a mirror.

zanahoria · 27/07/2023 09:47

The weirdest bit is when they call it historic.

As if in fifty years time it will be a pub quiz quiz

"Name the first non binary player at a world cup"

ThomasinaLivesHere · 27/07/2023 09:42

Figment1982 · 27/07/2023 09:34

What I have found particularly frustrating is the number of people in the various comments of this story who clearly don’t get it.. “So, failed in the men’s team so took a place off a real woman”.. “Canada should be banned, this is cheating”. . “They need a separate category for people like him”. When of course the actual story is “Biological female with short hair plays in the correct sex category for their sport”. Really doesn’t help the gender critical side of the argument to be lumped in with people like that with no reading comprehension.. and of course Quinn is doing exactly the right thing:playing in their sex category and not taking hormones.

I get that poor reading comprehension can be frustrating but to be fair to them the language used in these articles can be confusing to people who don’t follow this much. I think the average person wouldn’t understand why there would be an article lauding a female for playing in a women’s team as it sounds such a non-story and silly. So they naturally think there’s more to it and have become accustomed to similar stories about males in female sport.

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BaronMunchausen · 27/07/2023 09:39

The BBC article seems to go out of its way to use the "they" pronoun as much as possible? Pronouns did feature heavily in Quinn's 'coming-out' statement ("1. put your pronouns in your bio"; "3. practice using gender-neutral pronouns in a mirror/with friends").

The parochial hyperbole of Quinn's manager saying Quinn is "making the world a much more inclusive place".

Figment1982 · 27/07/2023 09:34

What I have found particularly frustrating is the number of people in the various comments of this story who clearly don’t get it.. “So, failed in the men’s team so took a place off a real woman”.. “Canada should be banned, this is cheating”. . “They need a separate category for people like him”. When of course the actual story is “Biological female with short hair plays in the correct sex category for their sport”. Really doesn’t help the gender critical side of the argument to be lumped in with people like that with no reading comprehension.. and of course Quinn is doing exactly the right thing:playing in their sex category and not taking hormones.

Xoxoxoxoxoxox · 27/07/2023 08:54

I n June, they (Quinn) took the National Women's Soccer League (NWSL) - the league in which they play for OL Reign - to task for "problematic" policies on trans players, which do not mention non-binary athletes.
"I hope the organisation can find space during their Pride celebrations this month to understand and educate themselves on the limitations of their policy," Quinn wrote on Twitter.

So Quinn is an activist who is wanting NWSL to embed the right for non-binary individuals to play, and non-binary can be both male or female. The article goes all around the houses without mentioning the conflict between trans players and female sports.

https://twitter.com/TheQuinny5/status/1667329708768509959?s=20

ThomasinaLivesHere · 27/07/2023 08:36

@NecessaryScene Haha love it. I’ll steal it too.

@Janie143 I like your point! Also we’ll need to think of the poor Americans when it comes to the Men’s cup as they’ll be the only trans ones. No wonder they’ve never won.

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ThomasinaLivesHere · 27/07/2023 08:33

MattDamon · 27/07/2023 07:04

The UK commentator for Canada's first game repeatedly referred to Quinn as 'she' which was refreshing. Haven't seen any calls for him to be sacked or punched in the face yet, oddly...

Being a commentator means speaking quickly to keep up with the game so I imagine it’ll be pretty common to stick to one pronoun given that they’re traditionally used as a shorten form and not to validate someone’s feelings.

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ThomasinaLivesHere · 27/07/2023 08:29

PorcelinaV · 27/07/2023 02:32

It shows people who watch sport that you can be non-binary and still play fantastic sport.

Canadians really have gone stupid over this stuff.

I know. The article ten plus years ago would read like a parody.

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Janie143 · 27/07/2023 08:19

What everyone is forgetting is that almost all the WWC squads are trans players (whether they are aware of it or not) because football is a mans game. So Quinn isn't even speshul. Only the Americans are non-trans cos there its a woman's game. Simples 😏

JacquelinePot · 27/07/2023 08:07

Cake and eat it, as always. Quinn says that Quinn is "nonbinary" which, unless theres a new definition since i went to bed last night, means that Quinn says that Quinn is neither male now female. So why does Quinn want to play in the women's team?

In realityland, we all know Quinn is female and as long as she's not doping, she should indeed be in the women's team.

BUT when we argue that men should also play in the team for their sex we are doing a genocide. Which is is?!

Or am I coming from the wrong angle? The sports argument seems to be to have men's sport for "manly" men and "women's" sport for everyone else.

ChristmasKraken · 27/07/2023 08:05

Littlepinkstarsbyradish · 27/07/2023 03:39

I doubt very much that she is the instigator of this press coverage

Shock literal violence. You've misgendered they!!

mycatcontrolsmewith5g · 27/07/2023 07:52

Think they are basically a butch Lesbian. Nothing wrong with that! most enbee identified people that look like them seem to be. I do find the use of them confusing though. To me is just means plural :(

MattDamon · 27/07/2023 07:04

The UK commentator for Canada's first game repeatedly referred to Quinn as 'she' which was refreshing. Haven't seen any calls for him to be sacked or punched in the face yet, oddly...

NecessaryScene · 27/07/2023 06:48

I don't see why it's a story that someone that claims not to identify with femininity can play sport.

We all know that someone like that can play sport.

What, is it going to magically stop her legs working?

Stealing a great response from Twitter...

Sorry but this is insensitive. Non-binary people suffer from extreme self-centredness which makes playing team sports almost impossible.

CapEBarra · 27/07/2023 04:09

So they are a female playing in a female team? What’s wrong with that? Nothing, as far at I’m concerned. I do take issue when a hairy 6’4” rugby player called Tiffany Unicorn Leilani wants to play in a female team but needs to tuck her cock and balls away first.

NicCageisnotNickCave · 27/07/2023 04:04

Littlepinkstarsbyradish · 27/07/2023 03:39

I doubt very much that she is the instigator of this press coverage

You seem to have committed a misgendering?

Unless my nana is correct and ‘she’ is indeed the cat’s mother?

NicCageisnotNickCave · 27/07/2023 04:02

Littlepinkstarsbyradish · 27/07/2023 03:42

The argument against trans people in sport is based entirely on sex chromosomes (it seems to me) so where else would they play? surely this is where they would play??
honestly - consistency please

I’m merely pointing out Quinn’s inconsistency!

Either you are an adult human female (ie a woman) and thus belong in the Womens’ sporting category or you aren’t.

Quinn says Quinself isn’t a woman ¯(ツ)_/¯

Littlepinkstarsbyradish · 27/07/2023 03:42

NicCageisnotNickCave · 27/07/2023 03:25

Ok. So why is them playing in the womens’ World Cup?

Surely by these new fangled-standards where ‘feeling different’ is apparently so remarkable as to create an entire new category of human, Quinn should be refusing to play on a team designated for boring old-fashioned women-with-vaginas-and-lady-feelz?

The argument against trans people in sport is based entirely on sex chromosomes (it seems to me) so where else would they play? surely this is where they would play??
honestly - consistency please

Littlepinkstarsbyradish · 27/07/2023 03:39

PorcelinaV · 27/07/2023 03:36

I don't see why it's a story that someone that claims not to identify with femininity can play sport.

We all know that someone like that can play sport.

What, is it going to magically stop her legs working?

I doubt very much that she is the instigator of this press coverage