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Trying to capture material reality in a slogan

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Gagagardener · 26/07/2023 15:14

I've been trying to devise a brief, memorable GC phrase that simultaneously sums up why we are GC and offers a way forward without being antagonistic.

(Slight digression: when I first heard Trans Women Are Women, I understood it as the equivalent of an old-fashioned dog-lover's statement: 'Dogs are people'. He didn't expect his dogs to eat with spoons, but he recognised they had traits resembling humans' - e.g. sociability, loyalty - that made him feel as if they were people.)

A literal and incredible interpretation of the TWAW slogan as 'Trans Women really are Adult Human Females' has combined with male entitlement to be intractable to reason.
That biology is fixed seems to be anathema and misunderstood.

However it is attitudes around sex and gender that result in brutal misogyny; and in unhappy teens trying to identify out of their sex. It's not the biology but the ecology. And that could, should change.

'We can't change Biology, let's work on Ecology'.
'Biology is fixed; let's change what we can.'
'You can't change your sex, but you can wear it with pride.' 'Be the best trans you can; make life safe for Adult Human Females.'

Not very catchy, I know. I think I'm wasting my time. What I was hoping to come up with was something that politicians could truthfully say with conviction...

OP posts:
villamariavintrapp · 26/07/2023 16:43

Women's rights are human rights
No man is a woman

BigMaggieShoes · 26/07/2023 16:30

What about:
"It's intrusion not inclusion"

Imicola · 26/07/2023 16:25

I like transwomen are transwomen. Simple and to the point, they are not and never will be women. But... probably not quite what you are after!

Tallisker · 26/07/2023 16:11

Woman
Adult Human Female

nonman · 26/07/2023 16:10

I don’t like women women won’t wheeesht,
when I first saw it I thought it was pro trans women because I didn’t understand what it meant

nonman · 26/07/2023 16:09

Transwomen are men,
Transwomen rely on gender stereotypes,
gender stereotypes are harmful to women and men.
Gender stereotypes are a tool of the patriarchy.
Trans women are the patriarchy writ large.

popebishop · 26/07/2023 16:05

"Sex exists, and sometimes it matters" is good enough for me.
"If you can't see sex, you can't see sexism" also.
Or even "To show respect to all people, let's not confuse sex and gender" - if people adhered to that we wouldn't be where we are!

PurpleBugz · 26/07/2023 15:48

Or the line from that awesome poem "I am not a dress"

PurpleBugz · 26/07/2023 15:47

I like "women won't wheesht" (spelling?).

I'm not Scottish so don't know if other parts of uk can adopt it?

Or something like "women's rights don't come after men's feelings"

AutumnCrow · 26/07/2023 15:38

We all have rights, dude, not just you.

CompleteGinasaur · 26/07/2023 15:37

I'm kind. Just not blind.

tryingtobeagoodhuman · 26/07/2023 15:32

This is a really interesting question. Something that's been on my mind recently is whether or not trans rights and women's rights are actually opposed. I don't think they are - but it's clear that some of the demands from TRAs do infringe upon women's rights (see: Anne and the changing room).

In this example, trans people do have the right to access safe spaces to get changed. They may not feel/be safe in the men's changing rooms, but that does not negate women's right to have access to a "safe", single sex changing rooms. In this case, a third space (i.e. unisex changing room) meets the safety and dignity needs of both groups.

Could a slogan that feeds into this, along the lines of "trans rights but not at the expense of women's/sex-based rights" work?

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