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Women's world cup again

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Somanycats · 25/07/2023 22:48

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66299441

So is this person a woman? In which case surely it's a complete non story. Or are they a man? And why does the article not make it clear?

'Historic' - the World Cup's first out trans player

There is much discussion to be found about transgender athletes in sport. In Australia and New Zealand, one has been helping drive their country's bid for World Cup glory.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66299441

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imed · 26/07/2023 13:24

Her wiki page states exactly that...

imed · 26/07/2023 13:23

Could someone please explain to me how you can come out as transgender and non-binary?

MrGHardy · 26/07/2023 12:32

Since when would you make a headline calling a non-binary person "transgender"? Quinn is female. With a special gender identity. Complete non-story.

user123212 · 26/07/2023 11:08

Needmoresleep · 26/07/2023 11:06

Why should they be?

There is never an objection to women playing against women. As there would be no objection to a transwomen playing for a men's team. Trans people are not excluded from sport.

yes, that's my point

Needmoresleep · 26/07/2023 11:06

user123212 · 26/07/2023 11:05

I wonder if the TRAs are wondering why GC women ARE NOT up in arms about this... 🤔

Why should they be?

There is never an objection to women playing against women. As there would be no objection to a transwomen playing for a men's team. Trans people are not excluded from sport.

user123212 · 26/07/2023 11:05

I wonder if the TRAs are wondering why GC women ARE NOT up in arms about this... 🤔

Needmoresleep · 26/07/2023 11:04

Quinn has been playing for a while.

Interesting that the NB person, born a woman is happy to be the flag waver for trans, whereas those born male are staying quiet.

Earlier this year DD played against a born-male person in a University match. She came home battered and bruised, and indeed never played again. Apparently the person was not much good so used their strength and build to batter through the other team's defence. At least, unlike the 18 year olds on the others team, she did not have to share a changing room with a man in their 30s.

duc748 · 26/07/2023 10:51

I posted about this on the general thread. Certainly the article doesn't make it clear whether the person is a man or a woman (and as noted, if a woman, then it's rather a non-story anyway). But am I reading too much into it to say that it seems almost deliberate to avoid coming out and saying, yes this is a woman? But rather the tone is, this person is enbee, it seems rude and intrusive to pursue it any further?

CaveMum · 26/07/2023 10:35

MrsMaxDeWinter · 26/07/2023 08:06

And best wishes to your little one!

Thanks! After being sick till 1.30am he is naturally now full of beans, bouncing off the walls and asking for food 🙄🤣

MrsMaxDeWinter · 26/07/2023 08:06

And best wishes to your little one!

MrsMaxDeWinter · 26/07/2023 08:05

CaveMum · 26/07/2023 08:01

@MrsMaxDeWinter apologies for my mistake, I’m my defence I was posting in a very tired haze while sat with my poorly 6 year old.

No worries, six year olds will do that to the best of us!.

I really hope Zambia does not progress, which is a shame because I am from around there.

But some things are bigger than continental pride, and women's sports being for biological females is one hill I will die on.

CaveMum · 26/07/2023 08:01

@MrsMaxDeWinter apologies for my mistake, I’m my defence I was posting in a very tired haze while sat with my poorly 6 year old.

MrsMaxDeWinter · 26/07/2023 07:50

CaveMum · 25/07/2023 23:25

Does anyone know the full story on Barbra Banda of Nigeria, playing at the World Cup? I stumbled across this article which sounds very like the Caster Semenya situation but the BBC like to be so vague that it’s difficult to get to the truth of it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/africa/66191557

Why are you calling this person Barbra Banda of Nigeria when the very link you posted confirms that the player is from Zambia?

zanahoria · 26/07/2023 07:49

Not only is this not a story but not even a new non story. We also had it two years ago during the Olympics how the Mighty Quinn amazes the world by playing football while insisting on special pronouns.

turbonerd · 26/07/2023 07:46

Where is the non-binary world cup I wonder?
If Quinn is non-binary Quinn should play on the non-binary team.

Or, as it is, Quinn is a woman playing on the women’s team.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 26/07/2023 07:43

attention seeking woman plays on woman’s team - total non story but it’s obvious the BBC by publicising it are pushing an agenda

Musomama1 · 26/07/2023 07:42

It is a non story but they'll probably be some nauseating article to come where Quinn talks about what it is like to be an 'enbie' person amongst these womeny things.

BellsMoon · 26/07/2023 07:31

cornflakesandtea · 26/07/2023 06:37

Looking forward to seeing Quinn play with the men's national team too. Seems only right if Quinn is neither / both male and female.

Surely if she's neither male nor female, she doesn't play in either team?

cornflakesandtea · 26/07/2023 06:37

Looking forward to seeing Quinn play with the men's national team too. Seems only right if Quinn is neither / both male and female.

MrsTerryPratchett · 26/07/2023 05:33

When Quinn makes it onto the men's national team, then Quinn will be making history. Until then, "person wants to be like Madonna or Prince but isn't actually that interesting and plays football on a single sex team as the sex they were born" isn't news.

Use whatever pronouns you want, call yourself whatever you'd like, it's all gravy. We just pierced things, listened to inappropriate music and wore black. Plus ca change.

BellaAmorosa · 26/07/2023 05:22

Woman footballer plays football in women's football competition. Groundbreaking!

Seriously, does she look around her and think that her teammates subscribe to feminine gender stereotypes?

Look at me, everyone! I'm special!

Helleofabore · 26/07/2023 03:53

Not sure what history was being made at all. A female player is proving that female players can play football at the a World Cup for female football players.

NotBadConsidering · 26/07/2023 02:32

But there must be a story of some sort, because Quinn uses they/them pronouns! The ridiculousness of which is highlighted by the final sentences:

"I'd like to see more of them getting forward," says Johal. "Canada needs goals from anyone.
"And if they [Quinn] score, what a story."

If you need to qualify a sentence with square brackets because the pronoun is confusing people, maybe don’t use plural third person pronouns to describe one person.

SD1978 · 25/07/2023 23:57

Quinn now identifies as non binary, with no hormone treatment and was born female. So basically no story as you thought!

CaveMum · 25/07/2023 23:35

Ignore my last post, I see there’s a separate thread on BB.