Maaate

Surely it's a good thing if it at least raises a bit of awareness. Personally I think pornography is fuelling a lot of the attitudes to women

On the face of it, it's a good thing: getting men to be on our side and use their position of friend to challenge sexism.

But it's just too insipid, there's too much tip-toeing around male sensitivities. We can't demand anything (no-one likes a shrill, demanding woman, amirite?!) and no-one wants to be seen to be laying the blame at the door of men because NAMALT.

Not all men are like that but almost all men are rubbish about pulling up their mates for shitty attitudes even if they don't agree themselves. That is still left to the women and it's time that men stepped up properly. Someone I know posted a rape "joke" on FB and it was so damned noticeable that it was the women who pulled him up on it. The men? Tumbleweed blew sliently through. Is there some kind of Bro Code that you don't criticise a friend if it was "just a joke" or something?

An apologetic "maaaate" just doesn't cut it and we shouldn't have to accept just a few crumbs of help on the basis that it "starts a conversation/raises awareness/is better than nothing".

I don't think this campaign is going to sort out men being sexist in a group.They do it to bond with each other . My hb said you don't know what men are like when women aren't around . When a woman comes into the room the dynamic changes . They have to mind their language and conversation more .

Sort out the police full stop

It's about as sensible as that suggestion after Sarah Everard's murder that if women felt threatened they should wait for a bus and get the driver to help them.

Sometimes I reckon that these people are just taking the piss and seeing what stupid idea they can come up with that people will swallow.

Well these women know exactly how to help him reflect on his behaviour now. One word. Or doesn’t it have magic properties when a woman says it?

christ on a bike

what a dick

I know if was really awful wasn't it. I hadn't realised how much of an arse he was until that

Boiled** that video of Khan and his appalling attitude to women! I am totally shocked. What an absolute knob. The chair person wasn't much better.

Man 1: "If you see a woman, punch her in the face".
Man 2: "Maaate, don't say that".
Man 1: "I'm now a trans woman".
Man 2: "Sorry, go ahead, please take a job at an NGO and receive lots of money being a spokesperson".

I dunno. I find calling out any other shit behaviour directly - racism, for example - is the only way people stop thinking they can get away with it.

‘Maaaate’ feels like tiptoeing around men and their shitty behaviour.

Maybe I’m just too old and short on patience these days.

Just bloody call it out and stop farting about
That's what this is starting to do though?!
I personally think people will maybe stop and think if it comes from disapproval from their mates, rather than a more official "don't harass or you'll be banged up!" message.

Exactly, agree

Conveniently the video just came up on my Twitter

https://twitter.com/we_are_LBL/status/1682380657857626113?s=19

I saw that the other day, it was so shocking to watch.

That was a reference to BoiledBeetle's comment about Khan.

Yes, there's a video of him constantly talking over women, shutting them down, refusing to listen to them. Generally being rude and obnoxious.

I agree it’s too soft and apologetic (as well as incredibly cringey).

There is also a sign up at the moment on TFL saying something stupid like ‘exposing your private body parts is harassment’.

Oh for fuck sake, really?

Jokey, blokey shit like ‘Maaate’ and stating the fucking obvious like my second example isn’t good enough.

Maybe it’s because conviction rates are so low for sexual offences? Otherwise, why not just say ‘Don’t sexually harass or assault women or you’ll be charged with a crime and banged up’? or ‘men who sexually harass women are sex offenders’?

Just bloody call it out and stop farting about.

Sentiment seems fine... execution is questionable!

Even if it only stimulates debate, that’s good isn’t it? And it’s men-focused for a change, rather than women being told not to do things that provoke/attract poor helpless men with their uncontrollable urges.

I think the current bar is a bit too fucking low for people to be seriously complaining about any publicity campaign aimed at deterring men from doing nothing about harassment or sexism. It’s not a campaign aimed at anyone on these boards, that’s for sure. I don’t need to like it. Fine. It’s not aimed at me.

Yeah, this is where I am.

There is a level of saturation people get to with messaging. Whether it be signs or other media, or just cultural stuff where everyone is on about a thing. Once they are over-saturated, none of it makes much difference, the content is irrelevant. At best it's a minor flash in the pan and then the next thing pushes it out.

I'm honestly not sure which came first Romeshs video or the mayor of London campaign. But it's the MoL campaign that's currently the focus of the pasting that Sadiq is getting because he's saying people should make their mates aware when they aren't treating women right whilst himself treating women rather badly.

Ah OK thanks 🙂
It was Romesh's vid I saw and people moaning at him for calling it out, will look into Sadiq's campaign more now

Have seen Sadiq mentioned a couple of times, but not sure where he fits into it?

It's the Mayor of London's campaign.