Annaliese Dodds: "sex and gender are different"

When Starmer says that you can't change your sex and women don't have penises, then I will believe they are moving their position. But at the moment, it just looks like more of the same. Sending out women minions on Starmer's behalf to persuade the electorate that whatever they believe, is exactly what Labour is going to do.

I don’t really see it as a climb down. A diagnosis from one Dr is pretty much self ID (and will become self ID with one more small tweak of the law). They know they have to do it in stages because it fucked up so badly in Scotland. Women are losing their rights incrementally, small step by small step. This has always been the plan and we are mugs if we go along with it.

Are you expecting the Tories to come out with a sensible and clear position in September?

I understand the scepticism as Labour changes position so often and rarely puts out anything concrete but this is a climbdown.

Exactly.

Pink News are livid

https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/07/24/labour-anneliese-dodds-trans-gender-recognition-act-reform/

‘In other words getting a GRC will be every bit as rigorous as going to your GP and getting signed off sick with stress

well as it's so hard to see a GP, I guess it would create a bit of a hurdle!’

Dont worry, you’ll be able to do it online in five minutes. Signed of by a committed , compliant or just plain greedy GP.

The fact that we are still arguing about what Labour actually mean in this article shows that it is not remotely clear what their intentions are. It is so easy to manipulate people by using terminology that now has more than one meaning. Many TP now refer to themselves as biological women or female. Labour need to be very explicit about what they mean when they are using words that have been changed in culture and law to mean entirely different things from previous common usage.

How depressing to see this reaction to a partial climb-down from Labour. I felt encouraged by the news. Thought all those “I can’t vote Labour when only the Tories care about women’s rights” would be pleased, but now those people are casting around for another excuse to re-elect the party who has destroyed the UK over the last 13 years.

I think I will only believe Labour claim that they support the SSE if they also agree to clarify the definition of sex in the EA. If they are against this clarification it just proves that they consider bio sex to mean BC sex which means they think males can count as female for the purpose of the SSE in the EA.

Self-id by other name - eaxactly. That's all this is.

Another example of what Labour think is Kate Osbourne trying to bully other MPs into not reading Helen Joyce's Trans. She calls Braverman a disgrace for recommending it.

https://twitter.com/KateOsborneMP/status/1682443975616077824

This Labour MP is on the Women and Equalities Select Committee.

having read Dodd's peice a second time it really is meant to dupe Labour members and floating voters for whom this is a single issue into thinking Labour are safe for womne. I do not believe it. If this is their best shot at a policy then I could cry, I really could.

We need to recognise wins and celebrate them IMO.

A change in direction can take a while and happens in incremental steps, rather than a very obvious U-turn.

The messages coming out of the Labour party are a step in the right direction and significantly different from what they were saying not so long ago. They've got a way to go, but nevertheless this is progress.

And it's happening because of women campaigning.

Well done all of us, let's celebrate!
And then keep on pushing....

The only thing they are looking at changing is the definition though

So they will fiercely contest that

The Equality Act is not working for women, Dodds.

It's not working for disabled women
homosexual women
women of different faiths and cultures
women with diversity of belief

We have women excluded from public facilities due to these characteristics, homosexual women being pariahed for not doing men on command based on what the man tells her is currently going on between his ears, girls being required to undress in front of boys if the boy wants it, girls being taught that their consent, privacy and dignity for safeguarding must be predicated on whether or not she has the consent of all boys to say no/won't make them sad, we've got women being arrested for stating reality and being beaten up in public places for resisting being mugged of their property and rights.

Wtaf are you 'proud of' at this point? It's delusional.

There’s a fairly hefty contradiction in this article. On the one hand the Tories are accused of “stoking a culture war” when they take a position on trans issues.

But then we have Dodds apparently in total agreement with the Tories when accusing the SNP of having a

“cavalier approach” to reforming gender recognition laws, following the Scottish government’s drive to support a system of self-identification that was endorsed by Holyrood but blocked by the UK government.”

Also

“The move “seemed to be more about picking a fight with Westminster than bringing about meaningful change”, claimed Dodds, adding: “The safeguards that were proposed to protect women and girls from predators who might abuse the system were simply not up to scratch.”

Her main concern seems to be the the Conservatives may push for a re-writing of the existing act. That is Stonewall's worst nightmare - so now they have to do and say whatever they can to ensure the imagined status quo is preserved. And that status quo is imagined to already permit MTF to use women's toilets.

I mean, the literal definition, as used by Stonewall, of 'transgender' necessitates sex and gender being different, so it's hardly a surprise discovery, is it?!

This gets ignored when convenient, so maybe actually putting it into practice might be a good next step?!

The Labour party were declaring WPUK a hate group not too long ago.

Dodds also says: "we are proud of the Equality Act and will oppose any Conservative attempt to undermine it." Which sounds to me like they will undermine any attempt to make the concept of 'sex' or 'women' clear.

I'm not sure that Dodds' words do have that implication, since she also says “We need to recognise that sex and gender are different – as the Equality Act does."

In other words, she is backing the idea that existing law distinguishes between gender and sex, contra those who say that trans-identified men with a grc currently have the right to be regarded as actually having the sex 'female'

Agree with the appeasment comment. I think there is a lot of wishful thinking going on here - understandable if the party is ahuge part of your life/family/social circle (must be heartbreaking actaully) but where is the backing of Rosie Duffield, the apologies to women pushed out local party groups, the meetings planned with women's groups like Sex Matters or Fair Play for Women or Keep Prisons Single sex or the LBGA? Where is the commitment to clear and proper data recording for crimes, health research, the census, etc.etc.? Where is the abcking for women and men who wish to do academic research on any aspect women, sex or gender, or detranisitioning, or health out comes ofr transitioners? where is the backing for free speech with her party never mind in the whole country. Where is the recognition that being gender cirtical is a repsectable position to hold?

Na, I don't beleive this for a second. It is nothing more than realising that they have to make a few noises in the right direction, there is nothing tangible here. It is just flaky with no substance at all. On the plus side even this weak statement will irrate the TRAs for the teeny tiny implicit admission that there might just occasionally be a clash of rights.

On the same page about WPUK, frood and empress

There are unfortunately women so desperate to be able to vote Labour that they'll trust and accept crumbs at this point.

I won't. I would love to be able to vote Labour, but it's going to take actions, not words, some apology for having been a really lousy opposition while the government in charge were on duty and this was all happening to women and children with very obvious major problems, and a lot of very clear evidence in words and manifestos that women and children's needs and issues are not only fully heard and understood and given equal credence to the TQ+ lobby's views and wishes, but that all actions taken will have to work equally for everyone. Which will involve men not getting their own way in everything, encountering boundaries and discovering that screaming and threatening and hitting everyone is not going to get their own way.

My persepctive is that they are determined to pass Gender Self Id, and will do and say whatever they think it takes to get people on side.

This move is purely in. response to the announcemnt that the Conservatives intend to make 'trans' an issue.

They will suggest that transwomen have always used women's facilities and that reform of the GRA would not make any diiference to this - so stop worrying your daft little heads. Stonewall is still calling the shots.

The GRA needs to repealed in its current form and re -written to ensure the primacy of biological sex, and there needs to be a commitment to third 'gender neutral' facilities.

Pissed off , though, that Dodds was happy to equate 'psychiatric condition' with 'stigmatising condition'.
Anyone who thinks that it is 'stigmatising' to view dysphoria as a psychiatric condition is more or less announcing that they view people with mental disorders as distasteful in some way.

My concern there is that WPUK, for one, are always going to give Labour the benefit of the doubt as far as they can. I’m not at all sure how high their bar is.