How can we prevent the trans issue from being a gift to the right wing?

The Tory party don't care about women. At all. They are actively fascist, want to remove women's reproductive rights, want to remove all sorts of basic human rights, want to remove freedom of speech (it's the Tory party that will result in you being arrested for attending a GC protest, and the Tory party responsible for police knocking on the doors of women who have tweeted GC stuff).

That's without the astounding level of criminal corruption and lies.

And yes they are actively trying to exploit GC believes to promote fascism and the rise of the far right.

Voting for a woman-hating fascist party is a vote against women.

There's a lot of posters who would happily vote for Gilead on the basis "at least they know what a woman is!"

The only reason the Tories define womanhood by our reproductive organs is to be able to label and control us. They hate women.

RebelliousCow Do you think that this might be a chance for the feminists to influence the PSOE / Sumar to backtrack also. Just going to have a look at the numbers of votos nulos ….

I wasn't going to join in as really we have a thread like this every other day, but what if remarkable is those who presumably think their virtue is in being left come what may, always adopt this patronising tone and though they are talking to idiots.

And what is strange is that if you ever watch those news paper review tv shows, they nearly always have a patronising "well spoken" female who things drawling out ever so superior comments about how every one else is a nut job is really deeply political and intelligent.

In fact, it begins to feel that the left has no policies.

That it is just enough to say the Tories are the nasty party, and you are nasty if you vote for them.

These threads far from making FWR look unthinkingly right wing, it makes the left look like badly programmed automatons. Do you hand in your home work to the head left honcho and go look what a good girl I've been.

As yet, not to say it isn't signifigant but excluding the issue of women's sex based rights, can anyone list a policy that Starmer's Labour Party has that is different from the Tories.

All they seem to be selling is we haven't been in power for umpteen years, and so we must be better than the Tories.

Look forward to some well researched informative posts that show how Labour would be a good thing for the UK.

The Tory party don't care about women. At all. They are actively fascist, want to remove women's reproductive rights, want to remove all sorts of basic human rights, want to remove freedom of speech (it's the Tory party that will result in you being arrested for attending a GC protest, and the Tory party responsible for police knocking on the doors of women who have tweeted GC stuff).

That's without the astounding level of criminal corruption and lies.

And yes they are actively trying to exploit GC believes to promote fascism and the rise of the far right.

Voting for a woman-hating fascist party is a vote against women.

There's a lot of posters who would happily vote for Gilead on the basis "at least they know what a woman is!"

The only reason the Tories define womanhood by our reproductive organs is to be able to label and control us. They hate women.

The Tory party don't care about women. At all. They are actively fascist, want to remove women's reproductive rights, want to remove all sorts of basic human rights, want to remove freedom of speech (it's the Tory party that will result in you being arrested for attending a GC protest, and the Tory party responsible for police knocking on the doors of women who have tweeted GC stuff).

That's without the astounding level of criminal corruption and lies.

And yes they are actively trying to exploit GC believes to promote fascism and the rise of the far right.

Voting for a woman-hating fascist party is a vote against women.

There's a lot of posters who would happily vote for Gilead on the basis "at least they know what a woman is!"

The only reason the Tories define womanhood by our reproductive organs is to be able to label and control us. They hate women.

The Tory party don't care about women. At all. They are actively fascist, want to remove women's reproductive rights, want to remove all sorts of basic human rights, want to remove freedom of speech (it's the Tory party that will result in you being arrested for attending a GC protest, and the Tory party responsible for police knocking on the doors of women who have tweeted GC stuff).

That's without the astounding level of criminal corruption and lies.

And yes they are actively trying to exploit GC believes to promote fascism and the rise of the far right.

Voting for a woman-hating fascist party is a vote against women.

There's a lot of posters who would happily vote for Gilead on the basis "at least they know what a woman is!"

The only reason the Tories define womanhood by our reproductive organs is to be able to label and control us. They hate women.

We do have a duty to vote against the worst. The parties that have lost all touch with material reality and women's/girls' sex based rights.

So your conclusion is thay because of Welsh Labour (who are constrained by conservative westminster decisions), people are better off voting for a party that's been proven to break the law, is full of liars and populists, and has pretty much bankrupted the country and destroyed our standing and global influence on a vanity project?

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This attitude is literally how fascists have been VOTED into power.

We do have a responsibility to vote against the worst. The fact there is no best option that perfectly aligns with all our values is no excuse to refuse to vote, spoil a ballot or even vote for the worst option.

If you seriously think women or you personally have no responsibility, then frankly, we and you don’t deserve the right to vote. With rights come responsibilities.

The trans issue has come as a welcome relief to many who can now be much more openly right wing but didn't want to look 'bad'.

Aced it.

The labour position is by no means moving more GC as you well know.

It's certainly more GC than it was. Not that long ago, the LP was totally in favour of self-ID, and it seems to have rowed back from that a bit. It is also pledging, as admittedly it did in the last election, to retain single-sex exemptions. As Pronounsshera says, the question is "what do they mean by single sex spaces and how do they intend to protect them". If they allow people with a GRC to enter single-sex spaces, then they're not in fact protecting single-sex spaces.

I think the OP is right to raise this issue and I do worry about it a lot. The problem is that the right have leapt on the left's failure to protect women's rights, and therefore they're happy to portray themselves as the only people who will safeguard women. It means that people like Julie Bindel, Helen Joyce and Kathleen Stock will go on GB News or write for the Daily Mail because those are the outlets that will platform them. I understand why they do that but I am concerned about it too. I don't want women's right to safety and privacy to be seen as a right-wing issue. I don't want to vote Tory because, among a whole bunch of other things, I have no desire to see asylum seekers sent to Rwanda.

We also need to face the fact that it is overwhelmingly likely that in the next 18 months we will have a Labour government. It doesn't matter how supportive the Tories are, or claim to be, if they're not in power. We have to persuade Labour to do the right thing.

Yes, this absolutely.

I’m economically left wing and socially liberal with no-one to vote for.

Gender ideology is regressive and authoritarian. The idea that having this view makes me alt right is laughable.