Entitled male refused access to female changing area (despite wearing skirt)

If this individual had gone into the ladies’ changing room and found it empty, what then? Without the women in it, it’s just another room. And if there werewomen inside, what does that room become when ‘Anne’ walks in? A unisex space. So you’d have a unisex changing room, a gents’ changing room and another unisex changing room. Bit unfair on the ladies, eh?

It's just grown (sometimes considerably 'mature') adults using toddler 'logic', isn't it? Like when they scream, demanding something - and then throw a tantrum because you give it to them!

I’m sorry that he wants to be a woman and can’t be

Male sexual arousal is one of the great motivators out there. I think it’s very female to go “no it has to be more complicated than that” because we don’t generally go to such self harming lengths for our jollies, but they just… do.

Yet another things means they’ll never be women.

"What is the world coming to? Why are trans women more important than children and women."

Well, men have always been more important then women and children. Now it seems that transwomen are, in some cases, to be considered in the category "men". See also inheritance and hereditary peerages, etc.

This isn’t fake old trans versus ‘genuine’ young trans.

The trans person who raped Scott Smith’s daughter in the school’s__ female toilets was age 15.

What wrong with unisex?

The poor staff member did the correct thing for everyone rather than just for the trans woman. Everyone matters surely, not just the ego of the trans woman?
So the trans woman wants the poor member of staff a woman retrained?

What is the world coming to? Why are trans women more important than children and women.

Thank you. Everyone please do send thanks to the hotel, to balance out the hate mail and pressure they will receive from activists. It is so important that people who protect women and children are thanked, particularly where as here the employer may be bullied into firing them.

One employee refusing to hand out female changing room keys to any man who wants them is capable of preventing many sexual assaults, indecent exposures and even rapes. We can’t allow such employees to be fired and replaced with people who do whatever men tell them to.

He was given a safe space to get changed. That wasn’t enough for him; it had to be the ladies’ room. If we give the benefit of the doubt and assume there was no sexual motive, it would still be grossly unfair for women to be made to feel uncomfortable merely to support a male’s need for validation. Women are not support humans; they need a space away from male people to get changed. This is not just for safety reasons, it’s for women’s dignity and privacy.

If this individual had gone into the ladies’ changing room and found it empty, what then? Without the women in it, it’s just another room. And if there were women inside, what does that room become when ‘Anne’ walks in? A unisex space. So you’d have a unisex changing room, a gents’ changing room and another unisex changing room. Bit unfair on the ladies, eh?

I agree. Where are all the trans men demanded to go into male spaces? Perhaps we just don’t hear about it? And it could be that transmen pass more frequently.

And I also agree that there are two sections of society that are getting mixed up. Old men who are getting off on it all and younger people who are rebelling or genuinely feel they are trans.

It’s proof there is no compromise available in this debate - he was offered a private third space and refused it. At best because he wants the validation of using women’s spaces and at worst because he wants to see unconsenting women undressed and/or show his dick to unconsenting women.

💯 my thoughts too.

you have to ask yourself why middle aged women dressed in trousers and shirts with cropped heads are not trying to “pass” and go into men’s changing rooms. Why aren’t they confused?

🤔

and yes, the blue haired non binary, they/them trans youth are just doing what young people have done since the beginning of time. Rebelling and wanting to be different whilst believing they are on the right side of history.

That's toddlers you're thinking of, when they go red in the face because mummy said, "No!" and they can't get their own way and it looks like they are going to hurt themselves thrashing around on the floor.

They shouldn’t be so angry and entitled but I do feel sorry for them

Totally agree with you. I love her

If you come back, Teenagehorrorbag, which I hope you do, maybe this will help explain - a short video from a man who does the whole "dresses as a woman" thing but is clear that males should not be welcomed into women's single sex spaces and is particularly concerned that women should just stop the misguided "be kind" schtick:

"CLIP: The Transgender Jedi Mind Trick"

Jeez, @Boiledbeetle - what a creep.

I’d like to say for the 1000th time just how brilliant Helen Joyce is. So articulate and honest! She says in the long interview that she hates having to say “penis” all the time, it’s not how she ever envisaged her future, but if that’s what she needs to do then that’s what she’ll continue to do.

@VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia I know, he gave off, to me, sexual predator vibes from the very first moment, the rest of the children thought he was Mr bloody wonderful. He didn't last very long at all, I wonder if some of the teaching staff also picked up on the kiddy fiddler vibes.

Here’s a really great clip of Helen Joyce explaining autogynephilia. Yes, it’s more complicated (sometimes) than “man wants to look at naked women.” But it’s still sexual.

https://twitter.com/Rob_ThaBuilder/status/1682082594437865479

OMG that teacher 🤮🤮🤮

Yes, sorry, I didn't mean to suggest it was OK. Just that I'm not sure their key motive is male sexual gratification, which I think a PP had implied. I don't pretend to understand their motivations, but I suspect it's more complex.

you’re partly right! Autogynephilia, if that is what is happening here (forum rules don’t allow us to make assumptions about individuals) is a complex way of seeking sexual gratification. It’s more difficult to understand than straightforward voyeuristic/exhibitionistic behaviours. (Though it is very common for all those fetishes to co-occur in the same person.)

but the important point is that it is still about sexual gratification.

You've just reminded me of one of my primary school teachers. He was always trying to watch the girls get changed at swimming lessons (we had no cubicles just had to get changed in the open with all the other girls). The same male teacher also used to make us lie on the floor in the gym with our eyes closed whilst he walked around playing with the hard on in his track suit bottoms.

In my opinion men who want to see women and girls in a state of undress and/or vulnerable are perverts, regardless of how they decide to identify.

Im afraid I dont see a massive difference between men who want to use womens discomfort to validate their feelings without the womens consent, and men wanting to look at womens bodies without the womens consent

Both are using the women without any concern for them. Just because the end goal might be marginally different doesn't mean it's any less distasteful to be used with no option to opt out.