Entitled male refused access to female changing area (despite wearing skirt)

But this isn't about a clothed man in a bathroom, it's about a naked man in a changing room where you also will be naked at least part of the time.

Would that really not bother you?

In the bizarro universe. I thought my sarcasm in the response to that person’s demand for “balance” was pretty clear.

How do you know?

The man who invades changing rooms has a good point? In what universe?

no not Anne particularly

So if you don’t think Anne is unthreatening why are you here on this thread talking about “unthreatening males”?

I might be wrong but he was given a key to the room. That makes me think it’s single occupancy.

Not how hotel spas work. And have you somehow missed the conversation about him being in changing rooms full of teenage girls at a swimming competition? You can’t have missed that; you were talking about it.

Why are you going on about single occupancy changing rooms at this point when there’s loads of evidence, which you are aware of, that this person is more than happy to invade spaces where women and girls are changing?

So why wasn't the unisex changing room good enough?

Do you get this sense about the male in the op?

Also what do you think we are teaching girls if we say we don’t care if you’re scared

It’s normalising males in their space backed by those they rely on for safeguarding

@DarkDayforMN no not Anne particularly, if I was in the situation of a male being in the women’s bathroom

That’s what I wondered.

As an adult yes your gut feeling honed through years of growing up knowing men shouldn't be in women's spaces will help you. If you are a child now you are being told to ignore that feeling of unease, to ignore why you feel uncomfortable about the naked man claiming to be a woman in front of you. Their sense of things is being eroded by all this men can be women, women can be men stuff.

Just you get a sense about these things as they happen don’t you

So Anne gives off a sense of being unthreatening, in your opinion? Genuinely curious about this.

(personally I would find the fact of a man being in the women’s changing room a clear signal that he is a threat but let’s set the obvious aside for a moment.)

I’m concerned about why the government is doing this

I might be wrong but he was given a key to the room. That makes me think it’s single occupancy. And Anne is annoyed at the receptionist giving her the “wrong” key instead of affirming the gender identity

How many cases of child death have we seen where abusive parents are given the "benefit of the doubt". Why should we wait until the damage has been done before we act? Why risk girls lives being blighted by trauma after the fact. Keep men out of women's spaces. Prevention is better than cure.

Just you get a sense about these things as they happen don’t you

How can you tell by looking if a man is unthreatening?

I was also rather curious about this. I’m not sure what signals of “unthreatening” pp is seeing in Anne’s appearance. I’m afraid I didn’t pick up on them.

Ok so adults need to think of girls first. Not adult males.

How can you tell by looking if a man is unthreatening?

I have seen this on tik tok so I know some men are aroused by dressing as women but I’m sure there are a lot of cases of true dysphoria. There’s a book by a psychiatrist about a man that thought he was a lamp or something

Why does he need the women's changing rooms specifically if a unisex one is available?

If he thinks he’s a woman but in the wrong body then he accepts that he has a male body and therefore knows the female changing room is not for him, so the unisex changing area should have been acceptable.

Everyone knows humans can’t change sex

if he genuinely believes he’s a woman then he’s seriously mentally ill

given the standard behaviour of middle aged male transitioners it’s far more likely that he’s acting out a sexual fantasy

Telling people their comments are unfair is policing their comments

And why on earth are you advocating for "balance" for a trans woman who had deliberately inserted themself into a situation where they are watching teenage girls get changed.

Are you also over on twitter telling trans people who put up comments around 'terfs' dying in grease fires, or threatening to punch womem who disagree with them to be more balanced?

Or is it only when men are impacted that you are calling for balance?

I’m not policing anyone just suggesting some balance

Balance! The man who invades changing rooms full of teenage girls and the teenage girls who are upset about it both have good points. Let’s be Switzerland here.