Entitled male refused access to female changing area (despite wearing skirt)

I’m coming to this from a place of where I haven’t really thought about it much beforehand. My main thought was that although I don’t necessary agree with a trans male accessing womens spaces, I have compassion for people suffering mental health issues and delusions

Not at all convinced that poster is 'good faith'. That isn't my call to make, and their view of men in women-specific areas is their affair.

But when a poster makes comments that are at best difficult or at worst distressing or downright offensive for victims of abuse, rape and assault to read, you can bet I'm going to pick them up on it.

Making your own stuff up and then brazening it out is all the rage, MrsDanvers, you're right down with the kids!

It's definitely a word with more meaning than many others we're currently supposed to accommodate.

’Full of Hate’ always puts me in mind of this scene from the film, ‘Pecker’:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uv8cxFoF-UI

Is 'full of hate' the current phrase for someone disagreeing with something you say?

Yup. Try the royal board if you don't believe it. 'Hate' has been beaten into meaninglessness* by its overuse there.

*Dunno if it's a word. Don't care.

Is 'full of hate' the current phrase for someone disagreeing with something you say?

Hate seems to have been emptied out of all semantic meaning, like other words. Such as kind. And woman. And reality.

They have mentioned gulags before now. I've often thought how much this lot would love Magdalen Laundries for the punishment of non co operative women.

Well, originally used to translate a Chinese term for a system of administrative detention in Communist China.

Often now used satirically in reference to authoritarian ideologies and movements such as Trans rights activism and their attempts to stifle debate and silence objectors.

Though used entirely without irony by some activists especially in the US e.g. on the website of Health Poverty Action
"Join our re-education movement!"

"re-education" a term commonly coined by fascist dictators that actually involves very little education and more abuse and propaganda.

Rosie could teach Starmer a great deal, if only he would speak to her.

Back to the Sheffield situation...

I've got everything crossed that the press goes big with this. The first story (already published in the Mail and linked above) was helpful but the second story that is currently unfolding is massive.

I'm currently picturing all 3 party leaders being asked the equivalent of the Isla Bryson question. This could be pivotal in politics (general election can't be far off) and in clarifying the Equality Act.

Journalist on camera: "Do you believe Anne Coombes is a woman?"

Rishi: "No, of course not. I believe everyone has the right to express themselves how they want to, but no."

Keir: "I believe these discussions are important"

Ed: "er... I believe this person is.... a.... er..... swimming official."

Ed will go straight down on the Nicola Sturgeon ship. Keir will wobble about a bit before being forced to make a clear statement one way or the other. Perhaps he could ask Rosie to help him with tips on how to navigate things when everyone turns against you?

Gotta love it when someone homophobic accuses me of being full of hate

I'm done with you now anyway, you have tried to divert the thread enough

The poster referred to does have children/ a child as well, where as I am also childfree and can still understand why men shouldn't be in a woman's changing room or watching teenage girls get changed. I don't think parental status is really relevant here, as you say it's just a cheap jibe.

*You need to find the inner beryl thread possibly. I'm guessing you don't have children.

My children are not props for men to use in their fantasies - be they sexual or due to mental ill health. The swim coaches who let this happen all need to fired (or their clubs go bustbwhen parents find out and pull their daughters out)*

Coming late to this but please not let's have the 'you probably don't have children so you don't understand' cheap jibes. I'm childfree and I'm outraged by this and the whole wider issue of men in women and children's spaces.

Our club did not know. The only way to see who the officials are is in the digital programme and even then if we don't know the officials, we wouldn't know who to look for

Anna is here reminds me of the posters who were so quick to admonish people for jumping to the conclusion that the husband was the person guilty of familicide in that horrible murder a little while back.

I would agree that it’s statistically a non zero chance that a male who has gone to massive lengths to insert himself into female spaces where women and young girls are getting undressed is not a sex pest and/or paedophilia. I’d probably get deleted if I gave my estimation of the actual probability of that not being the case.

That's poor, I really do need to get a Twitter (x?) Account it seems.

Honestly the whole thing makes me glad my daughter gave up swimming.

Though her swim club were extremely good on safeguarding including same sex adult supervision in changing rooms. I don't think they'd have been happy with this so I can only assume not everyone involved knew ahead of time, itself a safeguarding failure.

British Swimming have yet to respond to tweets

How can we stand up for and protect all those poor girls being thrown under the bus for the sake of an adult male fantasy?

So, this adult male 'transperson' is a swimming official and in changing rooms with young girls. Without their consent or their parents knowledge - a serious safeguarding breach.

What can we do about it?

Email Swim England? Sharron Davies?

You’re the one that’s full of hate trying to bully someone on the internet for no reason

That's okay yours are there for others to see, the ones that haven't been deleted at least.

That’s all just your words, not mine

I'm not conditioned to call you homophobic, you are homophobic. You have been told you are by multiple posters, and had your particularly homophobic posts deleted by MN.

And honestly I find the attitude that you dont care about straight men getting access to watch women get changed, but that gay boys kissing needs to be hidden from society in case they infect others with their gayness to be abhorrent.

You are willing to sacrifice other women to "be kind" so long as they are being kind to straight men. But not the "deviants guys who according to you choose to be gay and could be straight if they just tried hard enough. Apparently your "be kind" and "be balanced" doesn't apply to them.