Entitled male refused access to female changing area (despite wearing skirt)

Christ. Lia Thomas and the university were forcing these women to change in front of him 18 times a week. And if they didn't want to, or tried to change in a toilet cubicle instead, they were told they needed to see a fucking psychiatrist, presumably in order to acquire some obedience.

A former teammate of Lia Thomas testifies, including how being forced to share changing spaces with a male feels:

https://www.dailysignal.com/2023/07/27/lia-thomas-teammate-paula-scanlan-talks-trauma-sharing-locker-room/

Someone has posted a review on TripAdvisor about this. Good on them! Shine a light on these men.
Well done that staff member. I hope she sees all these comments of support.

yes, I get that, and it's appalling. That's why I was asking if SE have responded yet.

They're forcing non consenting young girls to undress in front of a man. Without informing their parents or giving them the opportunity to withdraw their daughters.

I hope the press run with this and don't let it drop at all. It's the embodiment of Helen Staniland's question in the same way that Isla Bryson & Karen White show the danger in the former prison policy. Has there been any response from Swim England yet about why they're letting men hang about in the female changing facilities at competitions?

Yup. Quite a lot of women enjoy doing it to other women too.

"You know how you need space, privacy, dignity, depend on this for access? Well you can't have it!'.

How messed up do you have to be to think like this?

And gleefully facilitating it!

The validation only works if you are in the space where the non consenting women are. There can be no space for them to hide. The requirement is that they either get their kit off before the male as required and validate with their body, regardless of their diversity or inclusion/access/equality needs, or they lose access to any space at all.

This. A lot of men enjoy forcing women to do what they don't want.

We know this. We've always known it. Every organisation addressing violence against women and girls knows it. The police know it. The NHS knows it. The government know it.

And they're openly, transparently, gleefully complicit in pretending it's not happening.

And not just the presence of women. Offer a unisex space where the women happy and able to undress in the presence of strangers who are male, and you get a flat no, no way.

The validation only works if you are in the space where the non consenting women are. There can be no space for them to hide. The requirement is that they either get their kit off before the male as required and validate with their body, regardless of their diversity or inclusion/access/equality needs, or they lose access to any space at all.

See: gatekeeping your vagina. As a woman, you are permitted no acceptable reason that will pass the male rational fact check of what women may have/do/think/need.

This somehow does not blow apart the claim that these male people are female, women, indistinguishable from women (apart from their right to autonomy, feelings, choice, total control over the situation and privilege, and the total lack of anyone telling them to reframe their trauma, abandon their religion, get over their disability and just get their damn knickers off already.)

It really does. And I wish the media would start to ask the question.

We've had a brilliant run rate with what is a woman. And the old, guess how many women have a penis.

I'll now like to see, why is the presence of women so crucial to the room in which you want to pee or take your clothes off?

beg to differ, rape imho is undoubtedly about domination, power and control, it is also very much about sex. It is quite dangerous to forget or deny that.

@SerafinasGoose

"I'd conclude further, and venture to suggest it's the lack of consent that is the buzz. Otherwise, why was the unisex changing room not good enough?"

In the same way that rape is nothing to do with sex, and everything about domination, power and control.

I think you are absolutely right. The aspect of forcing your presence on unconsenting women is part of the thrill. If you just want to get changed to go swimming you really don't give a hoot where you change, as long as it is safe, since your aim is to go swimming.

I am so confused. Why should wearing a skirt be indicative that he's a woman? Clothes don't make a gender.

Because society has been well and truly been played by TRAs and MRAs into going along with the lie that men can become women if they want to. Not happy with having a society who will accept people however they wish to dress, they have taken this to the extreme where everyone is expected to go along with the lie and ignore the scientific facts. We are being compelled to ignore what our eyes see.

Live and let live is what I and most people believe. If Anne wants to dress in skirts that's fine, just don't expect me to say Anne is a woman and don't expect Anne to muscle into women's/Female's single sex places.

The last sentence has it.

And in response to a comment upthread: But you cannot conclude that they are doing anything other than forcing themselves onto women in an intimate situation where the women are unconsenting.

I'd conclude further, and venture to suggest it's the lack of consent that is the buzz. Otherwise, why was the unisex changing room not good enough?

The presence of women is the essential component here. I'm hoping the media continues to run with this story. It has legs, that's for sure.

Because this is all about what he wants and nothing else.

I am so confused. Why should wearing a skirt be indicative that he's a woman? Clothes don't make a gender.
And what is so offensive about being given the key to the unisex changing room? Why does it matter where you get changed? I would just have got changed where the key worked and focused on going swimming. Unless getting access to where other biological women were changing was my top priority.

Amen to that, er, sibling.

You scholar, you

Thank you so much, these days I take the compliments where I can get them.

'meaninglessness' is in Merriam-Webster and Collins.

(90 seconds later) and in Oxford as well

You scholar, you.

This thread is doing good work discussing the initial tweet by the person who wanted access to women's space, the Hotel's response, and the person's back story.

Well done everyone who is resisting the repeated attempts to divert and derail it,

You can't possibly read what the person in question has to say and not conclude that they are gleefully enjoying and determined to, violate women's and girls' boundaries.

You can, of course, speculate as to the reasons, as will everybody else.

But you cannot conclude that they are doing anything other than forcing themselves onto women in an intimate situation where the women are unconsenting.

What you don't seem to be able to do is drag your eyes off the male in question, and try to focus on the women and girls. Their rights, their feelings, their permission.

Try it!

Making your own stuff up and then brazening it out is all the rage, MrsDanvers, you're right down with the kids!

Ooo-er. 😆

And the thing is, psychiatrists aren’t allowed to treat this