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Entitled male refused access to female changing area (despite wearing skirt)

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ACatCalledPushka · 23/07/2023 22:00

Well done to the hotel staff. ‘trans ‘woman’ given key to the unisex changing room instead of the female changing room ‘trans woman’ not happy.

https://twitter.com/anneicoombes/status/1683090524641566721?s=46&t=5tHsrgY5T97exTqeFD4LWg

https://twitter.com/anneicoombes/status/1683090524641566721?s=46&t=5tHsrgY5T97exTqeFD4LWg

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NicCageisnotNickCave · 29/07/2023 22:52

BonfireLady · 29/07/2023 21:19

Back to the hotel from the original story, customers on TripAdvisor seem pleased with the customer service...

How lovely!

Must be hard to recruit and retain hotel staff nowadays - money isn’t great and the hours are antisocial…

The Mecure are lucky to have this employee. Let’s hope they realise it!

DaisyThistle · 29/07/2023 21:57

NicCageisnotNickCave · 29/07/2023 14:24

According to the trans widows threads it’s just a matter of time.

According to Anne’s Reddit account transition began because Anne was able to cross dress all-day every-day during lockdown.
Anne just didn’t want to go back to the office in a suit and tie, I guess?

And nor should Anne have to. Anne should be able to wear whatever the chuff Anne fancies to put on in the morning. But Anne should also be capable of understanding that Anne's choice of clothes don't change Anne's sex.

Froodwithatowel · 29/07/2023 21:54

Avalanche of TRAs leaving stinking reviews in 3....2....1....

BonfireLady · 29/07/2023 21:19

Back to the hotel from the original story, customers on TripAdvisor seem pleased with the customer service...

Entitled male refused access to female changing area (despite wearing skirt)
Entitled male refused access to female changing area (despite wearing skirt)
SerafinasGoose · 29/07/2023 20:17

Ereshkigalangcleg · 29/07/2023 11:57

AC wrote a very public article about the woman who objected to him using the womens changing room at his swimming club. He didn’t name the woman, but he gave her the pseudonym “Myra”.

He's a nasty, woman hating piece of work.

I'm fairly convinced the DIE acronym was no accident, either.

I've never see this written in any other way than EDI.

And the problem is, this kind of overt or covert threat runs true to type when it comes to this movement. Nasty, indeed.

BonfireLady · 29/07/2023 20:15

BonfireLady · 29/07/2023 20:14

We have been conditioned to associate feeling dysphoria with being 'trans'; to the extent that dysphoric feelings towards the body is a foolproof indicator that someone is trans

Totally agree. Combined with a belief in gender identity, this is what's helping so many adolescent girls in particular conclude (incorrectly) that they aren't girls after all.

However, I just wanted to add a bit of balance that there are people for whom gender identity is real (I'm not one of them) and because of the combination of their belief and the distress at their body, what they feel is "gender dysphoria".

It remains to be seen whether the public believes Anne is one of them or is they think Anne is Isla Bryson of the swimming world. There are many more Isla Brysons of many more worlds, of course.

  • the Isla Bryson of the swimming world
Helleofabore · 29/07/2023 20:14

Oh so sad!

BonfireLady · 29/07/2023 20:14

We have been conditioned to associate feeling dysphoria with being 'trans'; to the extent that dysphoric feelings towards the body is a foolproof indicator that someone is trans

Totally agree. Combined with a belief in gender identity, this is what's helping so many adolescent girls in particular conclude (incorrectly) that they aren't girls after all.

However, I just wanted to add a bit of balance that there are people for whom gender identity is real (I'm not one of them) and because of the combination of their belief and the distress at their body, what they feel is "gender dysphoria".

It remains to be seen whether the public believes Anne is one of them or is they think Anne is Isla Bryson of the swimming world. There are many more Isla Brysons of many more worlds, of course.

meowgender · 29/07/2023 20:13

https://tech.lgbt/@annecoombes/110137389049390874

^Lying here thinking i should really try to sleep but knowing that all i will do is go over and over the announcement today by Swim England of their update rules for trans and non-binary competitors which will prevent me from competing as a female.
Not happy is an understatement.^

Thank you once again, Swim England.

Tmesis Petrichor Cadence 🏳️‍⚧️ (@[email protected])

Lying here thinking i should really try to sleep but knowing that all i will do is go over and over the announcement today by Swim England of their update rules for trans and non-binary competitors which will prevent me from competing as a female. Not...

https://tech.lgbt/@annecoombes/110137389049390874

RebelliousCow · 29/07/2023 20:03

BonfireLady · 29/07/2023 19:53

In fairness to anyone who genuinely feels gender dysphoria (no, I don't have a gender and I don't believe in gender identity but I accept and understand that others do and that gender dysphoria is real), these phrases seem reasonable and could describe someone in distress at their body.

However. It is equally possible for someone to say the words that make sense when it gets them something that they want. Much as the bad apples did who infiltrated the church.

For me, the far greater issue is the impact that words like these have on a) vulnerable children and adults and b) allies who are being kind who all don't realise that they have a choice whether or not to believe in gender identity or not. It is presented as fact.

What we are now calling gender dysphoria, at one point would just have been dysphoria - which by definition is mental distress that fixates and channles that distress towards the body, or towards a certain part of the body.

That the 'gender' descriptor has in more recent years been attached to dysphoria distorts the reality that behind the dysphoric feelings there is some kind of emotional or mental distress. We have been conditioned to associate feeling dysphoria with being 'trans'; to the extent that dysphoric feelings towards the body is a foolproof indicator that someone is trans

Nobody is denying or doubting that people can feel intense distress and that distress can be concentrated on certain parts of the body - but what they are rejecting is the concept of someone being 'genuinely trans'.

BonfireLady · 29/07/2023 19:55

(... but no, I don't believe that transwomen are women. I am happy to call them transwomen and according to my own "belief system" of biological science, I am happy that I understand what that means)

BonfireLady · 29/07/2023 19:53

tryingtobeagoodhuman · 29/07/2023 19:37

"I suppressed those desires to be female and fitted in with the boys as best I could."

"I can remember wishing I was female at the age of seven."

So, in Anne's own words, wishing to be female is what makes someone a trans woman?

In fairness to anyone who genuinely feels gender dysphoria (no, I don't have a gender and I don't believe in gender identity but I accept and understand that others do and that gender dysphoria is real), these phrases seem reasonable and could describe someone in distress at their body.

However. It is equally possible for someone to say the words that make sense when it gets them something that they want. Much as the bad apples did who infiltrated the church.

For me, the far greater issue is the impact that words like these have on a) vulnerable children and adults and b) allies who are being kind who all don't realise that they have a choice whether or not to believe in gender identity or not. It is presented as fact.

Froodwithatowel · 29/07/2023 19:50

tryingtobeagoodhuman · 29/07/2023 19:37

"I suppressed those desires to be female and fitted in with the boys as best I could."

"I can remember wishing I was female at the age of seven."

So, in Anne's own words, wishing to be female is what makes someone a trans woman?

I'm sympathetic, I'm sure that was very difficult.

But why is this supposed to justify excluding and distressing women and wanting to walk through changing rooms (intentionally, without need) where they are in a state of undress? Are women's bodies some kind of consolation prize?

Boiledbeetle · 29/07/2023 19:47

The views v likes😱😱😱 you need to click on the image for the two lots of figures. Id credit who tweeted them but Twitter refreshed as i saved the second one

Entitled male refused access to female changing area (despite wearing skirt)
Entitled male refused access to female changing area (despite wearing skirt)
tryingtobeagoodhuman · 29/07/2023 19:37

meowgender · 29/07/2023 18:29

https://annecoombes.medium.com/a-transgender-ama-abe0648cfbbb

My daughter had this thing about not liking buttons down the front of her dress so, for a couple of years. she wore those dresses back-to-front.

The creep has a daughter. I wonder what she thinks of all this nonsense of him pretending to be a woman and the rest of it.

"I suppressed those desires to be female and fitted in with the boys as best I could."

"I can remember wishing I was female at the age of seven."

So, in Anne's own words, wishing to be female is what makes someone a trans woman?

SabrinaThwaite · 29/07/2023 19:08

forgotmyusername1 · 29/07/2023 18:21

Anne Coombes is off twitter

I think Anne may regret posting that tweet about re educating the hotel worker- it opened up a bit of a Pandoras box

Not surprised, given the (rightly deserved) pasting Anne was getting on Twitter.

Anne was learning that women and girls aren’t going to put up with this kind of behaviour.

MavisMcMinty · 29/07/2023 19:03

Ah, good job really, as I’ve been sorely tempted to open a new Twitter account. Torn between wanting to deplete Musk’s user base and wanting to be a newly-terf tweep.

Glittertwins · 29/07/2023 18:29

Maybe Anne should have thought about consequences of shouting their mouth off online - its spectacularly backfired

meowgender · 29/07/2023 18:29

https://annecoombes.medium.com/a-transgender-ama-abe0648cfbbb

My daughter had this thing about not liking buttons down the front of her dress so, for a couple of years. she wore those dresses back-to-front.

The creep has a daughter. I wonder what she thinks of all this nonsense of him pretending to be a woman and the rest of it.

A Transgender AMA

Yesterday, the place where I work held its first Ask Me Anything session and I was the chosen subject. What you see below is some of the…

https://annecoombes.medium.com/a-transgender-ama-abe0648cfbbb

StefanosHill · 29/07/2023 18:24

forgotmyusername1 · 29/07/2023 18:21

Anne Coombes is off twitter

I think Anne may regret posting that tweet about re educating the hotel worker- it opened up a bit of a Pandoras box

Yes it has caused another jump in this whole struggle between rights

forgotmyusername1 · 29/07/2023 18:21

Anne Coombes is off twitter

I think Anne may regret posting that tweet about re educating the hotel worker- it opened up a bit of a Pandoras box

MavisMcMinty · 29/07/2023 15:41

Not much delete-worthy stuff that I’ve seen. I particularly enjoy the contortions to avoid misgendering, “Anneself”, etc, which must drive the #BeKinders wild.

DiabolicalFinial · 29/07/2023 14:33

I would imagine the same monitors who have been busy on the other thread about volunteer swim officials and their behaviour will be all over this one, striving for maximum deletions….

As always.

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NicCageisnotNickCave · 29/07/2023 14:24

tryingtobeagoodhuman · 29/07/2023 14:14

Just had a quick look at some of Anne's early tweets. Some interesting ones from 2015 such as "This is the real me. A transvestite."

I wonder what prompted Anne to stop identifying as a transvestite and start identifying as transgender.

According to the trans widows threads it’s just a matter of time.

According to Anne’s Reddit account transition began because Anne was able to cross dress all-day every-day during lockdown.
Anne just didn’t want to go back to the office in a suit and tie, I guess?