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Entitled male refused access to female changing area (despite wearing skirt)

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ACatCalledPushka · 23/07/2023 22:00

Well done to the hotel staff. ‘trans ‘woman’ given key to the unisex changing room instead of the female changing room ‘trans woman’ not happy.

https://twitter.com/anneicoombes/status/1683090524641566721?s=46&t=5tHsrgY5T97exTqeFD4LWg

https://twitter.com/anneicoombes/status/1683090524641566721?s=46&t=5tHsrgY5T97exTqeFD4LWg

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Tallisker · 15/08/2023 22:53

Pop on a skirt and a wig, and bingo - men feel entitled to demand access to women and girls when they are in a state of undress.

And other people, women included, enable the access rather than stop it in its tracks. It's appalling.

NigellaAwesome · 15/08/2023 22:42

I've just finished the podcast 'where is George Gibney' and it is absolutely appalling the number of sex abusers within the ranks of swimming.

Also shocking that even after those scandals, albeit in Ireland, British Swimming can't grasp basic safeguarding.

I'm not suggesting AC is an abuser, but the point is, this ideology is an abuser's paradise. Pop on a skirt and a wig, and bingo - men feel entitled to demand access to women and girls when they are in a state of undress.

BellaAmorosa · 04/08/2023 19:01

Anne loves the closet. That's where all the ladies' clothes are.

FatherJackHackettsUnderpantsHamper · 03/08/2023 23:34

Duck Duck Go claims not to track you in this way, if you want to break out of the filter bubble.

Yes, DDG is good; and also StartPage, which is effectively Google but behind some thick net curtains to keep prying bot-eyes safely out!

haXXor · 03/08/2023 23:01

DeanElderberry · 31/07/2023 20:42

Our computers remember what we've looked at before, and give us the search results they think we want. People who complain about all the links to porn and dodgy advertisements that they see on the internet are telling us more than they think.

Pedantic, I know, but it's the search engine that gives you the result it thinks you want, based on your search and click-through history. Your search history is matched to your computer by cookies, its IP address, and other browser characteristics.

Duck Duck Go claims not to track you in this way, if you want to break out of the filter bubble.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 03/08/2023 19:51

When you’re used to privilege any form of ‘no’ feels like an attack innit?

Froodwithatowel · 03/08/2023 16:34

Bollocks is Anne being 'attacked' and 'forced back into the closet'. Anne's being forced to realise that there are boundaries as to how much Anne can use other people. That they feel shame over their actions and do not like hearing the word 'no' is not a failing in other people's tolerance.

And some things bloody should be kept in the closet. <shudder>

meowgender · 03/08/2023 15:48

I was reading about this on Lipstick Alley and saw an interesting comment:

Only certain "feminists" supported this bullshit (typically white, likely fans of MacKinnon) while everyone else just wanted to be left alone. In the 80s and 90s, you could call the police on these men for trying to force their way into lesbian bars.

If true, I'm impressed that the police would protect women's spaces, and particularly lebsbian spaces, back then. How far they have fallen since!

UK: Trans-Identified Male Who Sparked Backlash After Using Women’s Changing Room During Teen Swim Meet Engaged With Erotic “Breastfeeding” Account

By Yuliah Alma August 1, 2023 A trans-identified male who sparked outrage after demanding access to the women’s changing rooms at a Sheffield hotel previously engaged with a disturbing fetish account creating breas...

https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/uk-trans-identified-male-who-sparked-backlash-after-using-women%E2%80%99s-changing-room-during-teen-swim-meet-engaged-with-erotic-%E2%80%9Cbreastfeeding%E2%80%9D-account.5341427/

BonfireLady · 03/08/2023 15:17

viques · 03/08/2023 14:38

Anne has not been attacked, the only people who have been publicly attacked are Myra and the anonymous receptionist at the spa. Anne has been shown in Anne’s true colours, which is not an attack but a revelation.

Perfectly put.

In all fairness, transwomen like Anne and Anne's friend Lexi from the Guardian article may well have had abuse from people about their choice of clothes.

However, in Anne's own words, when Anne attacked the receptionist for her "gender insensivity" (and then pulled it back with a passive aggressive "let's all learn to do better" follow-up message, apparently Anne has never been treated as if Anne isn't a woman until that day.

How very confusing for Anne that Anne can't remember these attacks that Anne talks about.

viques · 03/08/2023 14:38

Anne has not been attacked, the only people who have been publicly attacked are Myra and the anonymous receptionist at the spa. Anne has been shown in Anne’s true colours, which is not an attack but a revelation.

SerafinasGoose · 03/08/2023 14:24

StefanosHill · 02/08/2023 20:25

Yep. The £5 easy access is horrific.

The determination in itself speaks volumes. These people will stop at nothing to get access to their victims. (And yes, that's what they are; Anne in spite of this protestation is not a victim, but an aggressor).

They used to make a beeline for the priesthood. Now, it's the rainbow they're hiding behind. Same shit, different day and a slightly different veneer of 'respectability' to guarantee that access.

Why are so many people so wilfuly blind to this? Did they think these people have gone away? They've simply changed their face, only this time are far more in plain sight than they previously ever were.

And still people look the other way ...

FatherJackHackettsUnderpantsHamper · 03/08/2023 14:23

Forced back into the closet indeed! What tripe. No Ann you aren't being attacked, we just don't agree that you are female.

They always use the same excuse when trying to invade women's sports: make out that they're being forbidden from ever competing in the sport they love by truly nasty, hateful bigots; when there are any number of appropriate equivalent male competitions that would welcome them.

loislovesstewie · 03/08/2023 14:19

Forced back into the closet indeed! What tripe. No Ann you aren't being attacked, we just don't agree that you are female.

SerafinasGoose · 03/08/2023 14:16

Anne Coombes is not being attacked.

Anne Coombes is riding roughshod over the rights, privacy and dignity of women and girls, and somehow claims to be surprised that they object.

The obvious expectation was that these inferior females roll over and capitulate to Anne's wants without a murmur of dissent, and a refusal to do this now constitutes a full-scale 'attack' on poor, badly-done-to Anne.

This movement has perfected the art of DARVO at its finest.

MavisMcMinty · 03/08/2023 13:47

Anne Coombes, 65, from Reading, added: “Well said. We’re being attacked from all sides.”

Ah, so Anne Coombes does appreciate how it feels to be a woman these days. Attacked from all sides.

Boiledbeetle · 03/08/2023 12:19

Just seen this on Twitter, it's from the beginning of July, and it may well have been put up before, but I'll admit I'm to lazy to go through nearly 800 posts to check.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/01/london-pride-politics-trans-rights-climate-protest?CMP=share_btn_link

Lexi Kane, 34, from Farnham, Surrey, said: “It’s lovely to just be among everyone who’s like me. We won’t be forced back into the closet and this is a show of that.” Anne Coombes, 65, from Reading, added: “Well said. We’re being attacked from all sides.”

‘More protest than carnival’: politics looms larger than usual at London Pride

This year’s parade saw strong political messages, from trans rights to the climate crisis

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/01/london-pride-politics-trans-rights-climate-protest?CMP=share_btn_link

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/08/2023 00:20

TW in EDI training: we just want to live our lives.

Women: you do know we can see the internet?

This!

RumNotRun · 02/08/2023 22:38

Sorry, a bit off topic but I googled Aimee Challenor cause I recognised the name but couldn't think why. On reading Aimee's wiki page, I remembered Aimee's dad's crimes but I did not realise about Aimee's husband's tweets. WTAF!!! Seriously, in plain sight, do they really think that people won't notice?

Hepwo · 02/08/2023 21:16

It depends on how quickly the barristers unravel the mess that trans activists have built up to try and block it.

StefanosHill · 02/08/2023 21:07

Hepwo · 02/08/2023 20:50

It's biological.

Labour think biology is determined by a five pound certificate and are proposing one stop GP shops, just like the SNP led NHS, to sell 100,000s of thousands of them to adults and children. The exceptions will continue to mean what men want.

The conservatives, led by the minister for Equality Kemi Badenoch, are trying to clear the way through the thicket of barristers blocking Baroness Kishwar Falkner, to implement EHRCs proposed actual biological underpinning of the EQ2010 exceptions and guidance. They will leave the GRA panel in place and the single sex exceptions will mean single sex exceptions.

This is clear water between the two parties surely

Kemi’s version sounds encouraging- do you think she will do it? Pre GE too

Hepwo · 02/08/2023 20:51

Too many thousands! I think the ONS have the figures!

Hepwo · 02/08/2023 20:50

It's biological.

Labour think biology is determined by a five pound certificate and are proposing one stop GP shops, just like the SNP led NHS, to sell 100,000s of thousands of them to adults and children. The exceptions will continue to mean what men want.

The conservatives, led by the minister for Equality Kemi Badenoch, are trying to clear the way through the thicket of barristers blocking Baroness Kishwar Falkner, to implement EHRCs proposed actual biological underpinning of the EQ2010 exceptions and guidance. They will leave the GRA panel in place and the single sex exceptions will mean single sex exceptions.

StefanosHill · 02/08/2023 20:47

Hepwo · 02/08/2023 20:40

Well that's the million dollar five pound question isn't it?

If only Dodds had bothered to turn up to tell us

Maybe Keir will give us a steer.. off that fence

Hepwo · 02/08/2023 20:40

Britinme · 02/08/2023 20:27

But would it make the law on AC's side? Does AC automatically get entry to women's changing rooms if a third space is available?

Well that's the million dollar five pound question isn't it?

Britinme · 02/08/2023 20:27

But would it make the law on AC's side? Does AC automatically get entry to women's changing rooms if a third space is available?