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Beth Rigby interviews Iain Anderson

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Theeyeballsinthesky · 20/07/2023 21:36

He does not do well!

https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1682117673277337600?s=46&t=aWQLrPtVicDNf6MQpq5WVg

https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1682117673277337600?s=46&t=aWQLrPtVicDNf6MQpq5WVg

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BettyFilous · 22/07/2023 16:08

We fell down a Beth Rigby rabbit hole on YouTube. The Dame Wendy Hall interview about AI was fun. DH said Beth’s mannerisms remind him of Jen on the IT Crowd, so the intro in a computing lab at Southampton Uni was gold. We plan to subscribe to her podcast off the back of today’s meandering.

BettyFilous · 22/07/2023 15:26

I’m watching with DH. We just got to the “breastfeeding” transwoman and he asked me to pause so I could explain what he was seeing. After a potted explanation, he said: “that’s so fucked up.” Yep. I thought he’d already crested the mountain top, but nope. He peaked again.

rogdmum · 22/07/2023 14:05

Somanyquestionstoaskaboutthis · 22/07/2023 13:51

I kept getting distracted trying to work out his accent (Scottish / Cornish mix?) and had to stop looking at his facial expressions, but still kept just shouting bollocks and just answer the question. He couldn’t really have done worse could he?

It’s quite entertaining to watch some of it with the volume off.

highame · 22/07/2023 13:56

Boiledbeetle · 21/07/2023 19:03

James doinh his impersonation of Iain being interviewed.

https://twitter.com/DreyfusJames/status/1682437430366838791?s=19

This is so, so funny. I wondered if it had been posted. Thank you

Somanyquestionstoaskaboutthis · 22/07/2023 13:51

I kept getting distracted trying to work out his accent (Scottish / Cornish mix?) and had to stop looking at his facial expressions, but still kept just shouting bollocks and just answer the question. He couldn’t really have done worse could he?

thirdfiddle · 22/07/2023 13:41

Here, here. (Or is it "hear, hear"? - a different debate!)

Hear hear. No debate 😜

AlisonDonut · 22/07/2023 13:27

Madcats · 22/07/2023 11:02

So, if Nancy Kelley left Stonewall yesterday and the Chair has been put back in his box, I wonder who decided they needed to issue yesterday's press release?

It's going to be hard for Corporations to justify spending ££ to be diversity champions if Stonewall has just announced that they don't give two hoots about lesbians and gays....and....would women please just shut up and do what they are told.

The words I've written on my piece of paper and thrown into the hat is 'the interns'.

When do we find out who won the prize?

Madcats · 22/07/2023 12:35

There is some interesting speculation about whether the rest of the Board knew about this interview on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/Broonjunior/status/1682667528118579200

Me? I'm beginning to wonder whether Sky might have popped Iain into the green room with some sycophants and lots of booze before the interview. He did look very sweaty.

https://twitter.com/Broonjunior/status/1682667528118579200

RebelliousCow · 22/07/2023 12:31

Lottapianos · 22/07/2023 12:30

'I prefer to welcome someone into the room and begin to talk with them"'

Oh sure, unless they're with the LBG Alliance 🙄 the absolute state of Stonewall refusing to speak to a group of gay, lesbian and bisexual people

It also implies he is only willing to talk on his terms - in his room.

Lottapianos · 22/07/2023 12:30

'I prefer to welcome someone into the room and begin to talk with them"'

Oh sure, unless they're with the LBG Alliance 🙄 the absolute state of Stonewall refusing to speak to a group of gay, lesbian and bisexual people

RebelliousCow · 22/07/2023 12:14

I supect Michael Cashman is highly influential and very involved. His twitter feed from 14 hours ago says" Some people prod you with sticks to get you to give the answer they want. I prefer to welcome someone into the room and begin to talk with them"

RebelliousCow · 22/07/2023 12:10

DuesToTheDirt · 22/07/2023 12:00

It's interesting that the example of the woman asking for a female to do intimate care managed to find his human being instincts, but sport (& it sounds like breastfeeding too) didn't.

Well in the sports clip (the only bit I've watched), he didn't present any arguments, just said he was never any good at sport - the implication being that he therefore couldn't imagine himself in elite sport and therefore couldn't care less.

I think his elderley mother died recently.....so he could maybe picture that.

DuesToTheDirt · 22/07/2023 12:00

It's interesting that the example of the woman asking for a female to do intimate care managed to find his human being instincts, but sport (& it sounds like breastfeeding too) didn't.

Well in the sports clip (the only bit I've watched), he didn't present any arguments, just said he was never any good at sport - the implication being that he therefore couldn't imagine himself in elite sport and therefore couldn't care less.

Madcats · 22/07/2023 11:02

So, if Nancy Kelley left Stonewall yesterday and the Chair has been put back in his box, I wonder who decided they needed to issue yesterday's press release?

It's going to be hard for Corporations to justify spending ££ to be diversity champions if Stonewall has just announced that they don't give two hoots about lesbians and gays....and....would women please just shut up and do what they are told.

Manderleyagain · 22/07/2023 10:58

Every charity/lobby group that I know would love a prime time interview slot on national media to discuss their cause.

Their claim that they didn't know this strand of their work was going to be the focus shouldn't be a problem, if the focus isn't a problem. At worst it should be disappointing that another priority didn't get sufficient air time.

This is a good point. For a different charity and cause it would be annoying for the interviewee to not recall the pecific detail about that strand. They would keep saying 'I'm afraid I don't have the figures to hand ...' but this guy didn't know the basic principles of their work on trans rights. Even though that's the charity's main focus. He didn't know the underlying claims and aims beyond fluffy 'everyone should be included and live their best life'.

Presumably he's signed off documents and made speeches which set it all out, but he got some of it backwards. He said there are competing rights. The statement said there are never competing rights. Polar opposites. The problem for him was when actually facing direct questions, and being a human being, he had to acknowledge the competing rights because it's blinking obvious there are competing rights.

It's interesting that the example of the woman asking for a female to do intimate care managed to find his human being instincts, but sport (& it sounds like breastfeeding too) didn't.

RebelliousCow · 22/07/2023 10:35

Which is why it is important always to highlight women's needs for dignity and privacy - and not just safety.

RebelliousCow · 22/07/2023 10:34

Zeugma · 22/07/2023 10:31

‘Trans folk’, or even worse, ‘folx’, seems all-pervasive now, as is ‘y’all’ when used by non-Americans. All part of the creeping takeover of language by this ideology.

Another way that the ideology is being advanced is by its wilful conflation with issues of race.

We must be very sensitive and aware to such changes and manipulations because it will pinpoint where the movemnt is heading with its strategy.

Zeugma · 22/07/2023 10:31

RebelliousCow · 22/07/2023 10:13

I used to live in Aberdeenshire. I'm aware of that.

That's not why Anderson is using, though. It's part of a concerted campaign both sides of the Atlantic to shift thought by manipulating language.

‘Trans folk’, or even worse, ‘folx’, seems all-pervasive now, as is ‘y’all’ when used by non-Americans. All part of the creeping takeover of language by this ideology.

DuesToTheDirt · 22/07/2023 10:26

FigRollsAlly · 21/07/2023 22:23

The lack of empathy shouldn’t surprise me by now but the bare faced disdain for women who need single sex spaces still stuns me.

It's basically the same argument as sport, isn't it.

Why do we segregate sports by sex in the first place? For fairness. This is compromised when we allow male-bodied people in women's sport. (With the added problem that you can't distinguish, certainly at amateur levels where the distinction relies on self-id and honesty, between a transwoman and just any old man).

Why do we have single-sex spaces in the first place? For privacy, dignity and safety. This is compromised when we allow male-bodied people into women's spaces. (With the added problem that you can't distinguish between a transwoman and just any old man).

DuesToTheDirt · 22/07/2023 10:19

I am left wondering if they are genuinely ignorant about the significant errors in their reasoning, aware and conscious of their best hopes for masking it, or if they do know - deep down- but are psychologically defended against this as they can't face the truth?

Here, here. (Or is it "hear, hear"? - a different debate!)

RebelliousCow · 22/07/2023 10:17

AlisonDonut · 22/07/2023 00:07

I guess that's why that was cut from the original show.

Very interesting.

Yes, they have responded very quickly to the clear public revulsion and are now trying to ban the topic and have all references to it disappear.

Sport has already been lost; prisons are peaking people ( though not in the U.S yet).......

RebelliousCow · 22/07/2023 10:13

Baldieheid · 21/07/2023 21:22

He's Scottish - we use the word folk a lot up here, in normal conversation about normal people doing normal things.

Eg
I'm going to my folks for the weekend (I'm going to my parents house)

Everyday folks, doing everyday things.

It MIGHT be an adoption of the American phrase by him, but I wouldn't discount it being a perfectly normal word for a Scot to use instead of "people".

I like it in my context, and refuse to allow its association with the rainbow mafia to steal it from me.

I used to live in Aberdeenshire. I'm aware of that.

That's not why Anderson is using, though. It's part of a concerted campaign both sides of the Atlantic to shift thought by manipulating language.

JoyceMeadowcroft1 · 22/07/2023 09:08

“They’ve effectively admitted (contrary to what IA said in the interview) that they are not willing to do public interviews on so-called “trans rights”.

This is pretty much sticking to the 'no debate' strategy, despite the fact that there is a debate and the narrative is becoming less constrained by the day.

Every charity/lobby group that I know would love a prime time interview slot on national media to discuss their cause.

Their claim that they didn't know this strand of their work was going to be the focus shouldn't be a problem, if the focus isn't a problem. At worst it should be disappointing that another priority didn't get sufficient air time.

I am left wondering if they are genuinely ignorant about the significant errors in their reasoning, aware and conscious of their best hopes for masking it, or if they do know - deep down- but are psychologically defended against this as they can't face the truth?

LoobiJee · 22/07/2023 08:28

Is the phrase 'specialist single sex services' new? I have no idea what this is referring to. It seems to me that this is an attempt to try and create 'no debate' around some single sex spaces (non specialist??!!) - and pushing debate to just those areas where there is no chance of winning the debate.

Yes, that’s exactly what it is. They are reluctantly conceding where it’s clear they have lost an argument - for example their preferred position is that the safety of women rugby players should be sacrificed to the desires of some males who’ve played rugby to experience ‘trans joy’ in the form of inflicting physical harm on female players. But they recognise they’ve lost that specific campaign goal and they are seeking to shore up their position with their remaining sports and award males access to whichever other sports there are with a sporting body that doesn’t care about fairness for women.

On single sex exemptions, they have given up campaigning to change the law to remove single sex exemptions and are pushing the Stonewall interpretation that they’ve used their award scheme to impose on organisations, making arguments about “case by case” basis, and “safety”.

They will never concede women’s right to privacy and dignity, and they will never concede women’s right to fairness.

They won’t do that because they would have to concede that it’s fundamentally about women’s right to privacy and dignity from men.

Now that it’s a protected belief, they can’t stop others stating that transwomen are men. But they will never acknowledge that themselves. Look how enraged the TQ lobby were about Anderson conceding the safety issues.

The use of “day to day” was pretty offensive, I thought.

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