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Do you hide your GC views under a bushel?

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lurchermummy · 18/07/2023 18:32

I have a lot of liberal, left leaning friends. They are all about inclusivity. I know I am GC but tend to keep quiet about it because I feel I will be shouted down or seen as a right wing reactionary. It seems that Mumsnet is the only safe space to air such views. Anyone else have this experience? Am I a coward??

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DontYouThreatenMeWithADeadFish · 18/07/2023 23:29

I am quite involved in the running of my local sports club in which just over half the membership are women. The sports governing body still have a transwomen policy of reduced testosterone blokes being allowed to compete with biological women. This has caused a lot of anger and is discussed very loudly by older and younger women alike. Strangely enough those training hard to compete at both local and national events don't subscribe to the 'inclusivity' bollocks at the expense of fairness, safety or safeguarding.

EarringsandLipstick · 18/07/2023 23:20

Personal life, friends, family - very open & my DC are all very aware of my stance.

Work life - not at all, I avoid any potential conversations or scenarios, and have been really disappointed by women I admire going all out on the TWAW etc.

I'm in Ireland working in HE, and a great majority, IMO, don't really understand the issues, think it's an extension of tolerance & equality in terms of sexual attraction.

DrJump · 18/07/2023 23:09

Passmeaplacard · 18/07/2023 19:00

I hide mine but it’s because someone hunted me down and reported me to my employer as a TERF when I liked a few of JK’s tweets and disagreed with a hypnobirthing company’s post on Facebook. I only share my views anonymously now which is sad

A similar thing happened to me. Although rather than a straight reporting I was accused of bullying. It was dismissed after eventually having a lawyer involved.

HotSince82 · 18/07/2023 23:08

BeBraveLittlePenguin · 18/07/2023 18:59

Absolutely not. But I am self employed, very senior in my field, and I've paid off my mortgage. I can stick my head over the parapet, and so I have to, because so many can't.

Thank you.
I hope to be able to join you very soon.

arethereanyleftatall · 18/07/2023 23:06

Nope. I wear my 'adult human female' tshirt every day and every where I go, and I've only ever had positive things said about it back.
TRA may be active on Twitter, but I've never met a single person in real life who thinks a man should be allowed in female sports for example.

LemonadeSunshine · 18/07/2023 23:06

No hiding here, I discuss where possible and stand up for women at every opportunity, no TWAW, no handing over women's rights, no increased risk to women and girls on my watch.

HotSince82 · 18/07/2023 23:06

I am very vocal within my friendship group and my home.
My home is most important; my children are aged 6-18, myself and my husband are on the same, unequivocal page regarding this.
My children are in a faith school which strongly opposes trans ideology and is becoming academised, in part, due to this.

At work I toe the line. Most of us are rolling our eyes beneath the parapet.

sunflowerdaisyrose · 18/07/2023 23:01

I don't think you're unreasonable to keep your views to yourself if you don't want to lose friends - personally I'd prefer to know if I had friends with your views so I could lose them! You're not a coward though.

42wordsfordrizzle · 18/07/2023 22:56

I'm open with my friends - even most of liberal ones tend to accept that while i'm a TERF (like it's a bad thing!), maybe i have a point about male rapists not be able to stay in women's prisons, and that's a start about self-id needing some limitations.

A friends daughter who is in her 20s tried to re-educate me and she says transwomen are women, and no women are rapists, so any rapist who claims to be a transwoman is not really a transwoman - but transwomen should just have to self-I'd, and should not be questioned. It was bizzare to hear her tie herself in knots, her mother is appalled at her lack of logic. But she wants to be a progressive with a cause , and I fugure trans rights are easy, won't impact her like say fair distribution of wealth which could increase her taxes, or not taking lots of flights.

I'm not out at work - except with a couple of friends - there is a transman in the small my team, so sensitive issue. I don't want make him feel uncomfortable, and I think I feel more sympathy for a transman, not a risk to anyone.

I was one of a minority who didn't switch to a company provided pride laynard for Pride month.

I would have if it was the old rainbow, but not with the trans colours in it. I wasn't challenged, but would have said that there are so many significant causes we need to mark that I'm uncomfortable about singling one out, and would have given femicide as an issue I think should be given a lot more attention. Because women actually are murdered for being women. But no one asked!

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 18/07/2023 22:20

lurchermummy · 18/07/2023 18:32

I have a lot of liberal, left leaning friends. They are all about inclusivity. I know I am GC but tend to keep quiet about it because I feel I will be shouted down or seen as a right wing reactionary. It seems that Mumsnet is the only safe space to air such views. Anyone else have this experience? Am I a coward??

Not with my friends but at work you aren't able to challenge anything except gender affirming approaches

Quisisana · 18/07/2023 22:04

I avoid talking about it with young adults at work as they seem the most evangelical about it but I can't lie. I just can't. Most of my friends are GC although I have a few American friends who are very TWAW which, whilst not surprising I guess, seems weird as they seem to have suddenly decided it?

KickboxingWanker · 18/07/2023 21:18

Can talk with my husband - he is completely on board and thinks the worlds gone mad.

He runs a business that has public toilets and is very strict on the rules ‘if you have a cock you use the gents’ no ifs no buts about it.

we have a niece that was non binary during early teens - now at 18 she’s very much a women and had has a lovely boyfriend.

At work it seems to be mainly men saying TWAW!

BabyStopCryin · 18/07/2023 20:58

Nope. Only come across two people that have said ‘aww but the poor men’ or ‘well, intersex…’. One is a teacher who changed his tune when he realised that his daughter was going into changing rooms and the other is a lost cause (he is right-on luvvie Amnesty devotee).

mrshoho · 18/07/2023 19:42

I am open with family and friends but cautious at work. I work in Education and don't have the guts energy to get involved with tricky debates. I'm also selective with my daughter as she gets v upset but is slowly becoming more enlightened.

Feckedupbundle · 18/07/2023 19:41

No. I'm self employed so no boss for anyone to dox me to. Some of my customers have brought the subject up,in a 'I can't believe this nonsense' stuff,and I've helpfully shared my Terfy views which have always been well received.

I did have a short lived job in a school which flew the pride progress flag and had two LQBTQ clubs,both entirely populated by girls. I worked on the vocational side with young lads who were struggling in an academic setting or who had special or social needs. It was quite scary how influenced they were. One told me that he had X number of brothers,but one was gay so he was really a sister.I had to point out that gay men are not female,which he said was 'a good point'.
Another young man who was already under social services and had an extremely disfunctional family, had been completely Stonewalled and told me about all the different sexualities that he'd learnt about .He would have been 13 at the time. Interestingly,the boys freely admitted that they were sexist,but would never ever have admitted to being racist or homophobic. I didn't stay long in that job as I couldn't be doing with all the rainbow shit and policing what I said or posted on line.

Friends wise,all my friends are from a farming or horsey background and therefore are firm believers in biology,so no issues there.

SideProfile · 18/07/2023 19:36

I still feel a bit new to all of this, but cautiously bring it up and have been delighted that all of my close friends are of the same view.

DH fully on board, particularly after I showed him the parody of a woman (DM) and he saw worrying changes in his workplace. He wouldn’t bring it up in conversation though.

I’m slightly more cautious with some family but wouldn’t ever lie

ConnieLinggusThe69th · 18/07/2023 19:33

I have curbed who I express my views to massively. A child my DC is friends with (primary school) came out as non binary and I became aware that my DC was likely to repeat my opinions and it become a) distressing to the child and b) distressing to my child who wouldn't understand why he would be told off for speaking truth

I don't believe it's the child's decision at all, feels very uncomfortable and pushed on them by the parent who wants to be super progressive. So many red flags I could give for examples but I'll just name my biggest concern - when they are playing being a "girl" it's extra pink, fluffy, stereotypical and "boy" is extra blue, messy, stereotypical down to items that there is no way that child could put together on their own and also seems like a heck of expense on new clothes etc rn. I'm just grateful that hopefully for now they are only going with non binary and not the whole hog

Thankfully my own DC seems unconcerned and disinterested by it all and simply accepts his mate "Ashley" (not real name) his words "mum Ashley says they're sometimes a girl but also sometimes a boy, I don't mind what he is but I want to play football with him still" - told him to crack on whatever Ashley thinks he is. Ashley is great at football and a kind person. Just call him Ashley - saves confusion over using any he/she words.

I fucking hate that I'm hiding from what I want to teach my own child to save hurting someone else's more than I feel they're already doing

finewelshcheese · 18/07/2023 19:33

My family know but I don't discuss it with most of my friends. There's one friend I know agrees with me so we chat about it.

It's ridiculous really.

There's one friend who was very vocal on facebook about being GC when her child was young, but I know her DH is a labour councillor. I'm really interested to know her views!

Truthlikeness · 18/07/2023 19:32

I have a few friends in real life who share my views and I can be open with. A few more who are somewhat receptive and I consider a work in progress :-) Most I don't mention it with. I have some close friends who are very TWAW and I fear it would be the end of those friendships, though I suspect it will probably all come out one day. Funnily enough, its one of the few things my parents and I agree on, which has made a nice change!

EdithStourton · 18/07/2023 19:32

I'm mostly pretty open. DH is onside, as is one of the DC, but we can at least all talk about it to a point (though one DC seems to consider me a bit of a Neanderthal).

There's only one person in my (large) social circle who seems to be TWAW but I suspect a few more probably are, it's just never come up. Suspect a few of the ILs probably are too because some of them are arse-achingly right on and lefter-than-thou.

@Passmeaplacard what happened to you is shocking. 💐

TheBitchOfTheVicar · 18/07/2023 19:23

I talk to friends about it if it comes up, but work is totally captured, including my immediate lovely team. They are such great colleagues, all female, but their personal beliefs and the work we do often does not align with mine. So I keep my thoughts to myself at work, except for one or two individuals who are friends

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 18/07/2023 19:17

Passmeaplacard · 18/07/2023 19:00

I hide mine but it’s because someone hunted me down and reported me to my employer as a TERF when I liked a few of JK’s tweets and disagreed with a hypnobirthing company’s post on Facebook. I only share my views anonymously now which is sad

Bloody hell.

Passmeaplacard · 18/07/2023 19:00

I hide mine but it’s because someone hunted me down and reported me to my employer as a TERF when I liked a few of JK’s tweets and disagreed with a hypnobirthing company’s post on Facebook. I only share my views anonymously now which is sad

BeBraveLittlePenguin · 18/07/2023 18:59

Absolutely not. But I am self employed, very senior in my field, and I've paid off my mortgage. I can stick my head over the parapet, and so I have to, because so many can't.

8008less · 18/07/2023 18:56

@KohlaParasaurus I would never lie about my views on it if asked - when I say I’m cautious, I mean I just avoid those conversations.

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