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Not sure this is the ‘win’ India thinks it is

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ACatCalledPushka · 17/07/2023 20:57

India was delighted on Twitter that the hospital band India was wearing said ‘female’.

I hope for India’s sake that India’s doctors understand biology and should India need a transfusion of blood that India does not receive blood from a female who has previously been pregnant.

Not sure this is the ‘win’ India thinks it is
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JayAlfredPrufrock · 19/07/2023 21:12

Windy Illerrby is thick as pig shit and should retire from public life. How he gets invited onto Question Time is a bleeding mystery.

Oh hang on. No it’s not.

TowelRailing · 19/07/2023 20:59

I’m no one important on this agenda and have tweeted nothing - about anything. I followed someone that I expect IW rejects and I’m suddenly also blocked from seeing IW’s Twitter. I think IW’s Twitter was already set to followers only so I couldn’t’ve commented so I fail to see what was achieved by this. I think IW needs to retire from public comment asap for IW’s own well-being.

SabrinaThwaite · 19/07/2023 20:28

Oh, and now Kathleen Stock is a “cross dresser”.

FFS.

Not sure this is the ‘win’ India thinks it is
SabrinaThwaite · 19/07/2023 20:16

I see Gary Turner has now turned up with his “sex is complicated” schtick.

No Gary, it really isn’t.

waterlego · 19/07/2023 20:02

India doesn’t come across as very bright.

Or very happy. I read a lot about ‘trans joy’ and gender euphoria these days. India has gone to quite some lengths to transition so it’s a shame it doesn’t seem to have brought India any joy. The jealousy is always palpable. Because IW knows what everyone else knows- that there is only one way to be a woman and that you either are or aren’t.

PermanentTemporary · 19/07/2023 19:27

Tbh what IW is often trying to do is be 'provocative' by taking GC views at what they consider to be face value and trying to hoist us with our own petard. But since they don't consider GC views to be at all valid and don't spend any time considering what they actually are, they end up tweeting something that makes no sense at all. Like the JKR tweet (well, that particular one) - it only makes sense if you believe that GC people think that being feminine and straight is what makes you a woman. Which is just... a bit thick.

SinnerBoy · 19/07/2023 18:58

What a nasty, vituperative piece of work is Willoughby. What a fantasist.

They can't understand why JKR didn't invite they? Really? Would them be similarly bemused if Baroness Falkner didn't invite Timmy Robertson to a lunch?

CorruptedCauldron · 19/07/2023 18:47

EmpressaurusOfCats · 19/07/2023 17:11

India was ‘confused’ last year because JK Rowling invited a couple of gender non conforming lesbians to lunch, but not India.

Apparently it was impossible to understand what it was about Angela & Lianne that made them women while India wasn’t one.

This is jealousy. India desperately wants to be female, and tries to present in a stereotypically feminine way (dresses, makeup, long hair etc). So it’s infuriating for India when gender non-conforming women are seen as being in the real woman “club” while India isn’t. This is what India doesn’t understand. Womanhood is not about how long your hair is, or whether you shaved your legs or put lipstick on this morning or a nice floaty dress. It’s about your biology, pure and simple.

A butch woman in men’s clothing with a crew cut and no makeup is infinitely more womanly than a glamorous trans woman in a fancy frock can ever dream of being. She’s a woman because of biology, and can dress or present herself however she pleases.

India’s hospital wristband should not have said female, as sex matters in healthcare. It should have said, for India’s safety, Sex: M. Gender identity: F. Then at least India gets the right medical treatment as a member of the male sex class, while acknowledging that this differs to India’s gender identity and preferred pronouns.

popebishop · 19/07/2023 17:58

And non-White people

Kilopascal · 19/07/2023 17:49

Willoughby? The one who was blethering on, years ago, on Woman's Hour about how as a man he would never have shaved his legs, but it was 'fair enough' that women should do it as otherwise they were unclean?

That one has some very bizarre ideas about women. And legs.

viques · 19/07/2023 17:29

EmpressaurusOfCats · 19/07/2023 17:11

India was ‘confused’ last year because JK Rowling invited a couple of gender non conforming lesbians to lunch, but not India.

Apparently it was impossible to understand what it was about Angela & Lianne that made them women while India wasn’t one.

India has a very fixed idea of what a woman should look like, they are currently making fun of a woman standing for the Mayor of London by posting a very unflattering (in India’s opinion) photograph of them . Some people, with better qualifications in Psychology 101 than me might think this strange obsession with how women look only goes to underline India’s own insecurity about the way he presents to the world.

Backstreets · 19/07/2023 17:23

The way he talks about women is mental. Truly.

JanesLittleGirl · 19/07/2023 17:21

EmpressaurusOfCats · 19/07/2023 17:11

India was ‘confused’ last year because JK Rowling invited a couple of gender non conforming lesbians to lunch, but not India.

Apparently it was impossible to understand what it was about Angela & Lianne that made them women while India wasn’t one.

Not only is India not the sharpest knife in the cutlery drawer, India isn't the sharpest knife in the fork section.

EmpressaurusOfCats · 19/07/2023 17:11

India was ‘confused’ last year because JK Rowling invited a couple of gender non conforming lesbians to lunch, but not India.

Apparently it was impossible to understand what it was about Angela & Lianne that made them women while India wasn’t one.

Not sure this is the ‘win’ India thinks it is
lieselotte · 19/07/2023 17:04

How can you not know what a cervix is? Did India not doing any biology at school? If I didn't have a very woke employer who might take a dim view of it, I'd reply to one of India's tweets and ask how their first smear test went...

As for mental health issues, I thought the WHO had decreed that gender dysmorphia isn't a mental health issue (not sure what it is, in that case, especially in confused teens).

Leah5678 · 19/07/2023 16:55

I'm very confused I read the entire post thinking it was about the country India. 🤦🏻‍♀️ I should go drink more coffee

GaladrielHiggins · 19/07/2023 16:29

RebelliousCow · 18/07/2023 07:02

I can see a fake tan line......

I think you’ll find that it’s a real tan line, in fact India’s tan is even better than a natural tan because India has had to work harder to have a tan than some woman who has just sat out in the sun, because India has had to buy India’s tan in a shop and applied it at home.

MassiveWordSalad · 19/07/2023 16:26

One of India's tweets above -

We all know Martina is just Martin with an ‘a’ tagged on - right? Most obvious choice when transitioning

Is massively transphobic. India doesn't see the irony of questioning Martina's sex at all, does he? Martina, who was was the butt of so many pathetic jokes about her appearance and sexuality throughout her career.

I means, one could comment about him choosing the name 'India' but that would be fucking childish.

Froodwithatowel · 19/07/2023 16:14

And I have done the going into the room of someone with severe dementia at four am when they tell me what I'm to buy for their husband's dinner, which kids to collect from school and when, and what jobs in the house they need me to do, or most memorably from one lady I was very fond of, a demand to marry her quick because her baby had to have a father.... and always would soothingly play along because why cause distress and panic to someone in that situation uneccessarily, particularly when they would not retain the information and their current thoughts would often be somewhere very different half an hour later. That was kind enablement in their best interests.

This is trying to sneak in as the same thing, and it isn't. Nor am I employed as a carer or therapist for each individual demanding that as a stranger I drop everything and join them as an NPC in their personal world.

loislovesstewie · 19/07/2023 16:13

Could anyone explain India's twitter rant as above? I don't understand any of it!

Froodwithatowel · 19/07/2023 16:11

Reallybadidea · 19/07/2023 15:51

I asked a transwoman on twitter once whether I, as someone born female, could actually identify as a transwoman. Apparently I can! The whole gender identity belief system is so outside of reason and logic that you have to conclude that material reality just doesn't exist for some of them.

I think that nails it.

It is an inability to live in material reality. Where mental health means your capacity to cope with reality as it is.

Which is all very well until someone with this problem starts demanding that you provide uninterrupted LARP of their personal reality regardless of its impact on you and the rest of the world. We're still flapping about in 'yes, but don't upset him' territory, where I'm afraid we're reaching the point of yes, having to have boundaries even if it causes tears and rages.

viques · 19/07/2023 16:06

JayAlfredPrufrock · 17/07/2023 22:35

Mixed ward. Hmmm. That could be complicated

Well, it probably wasnt a mixed ward until India stamped their size nines and demanded a bed. The special one by the window, with more pillows, and a new blanket………..

Beowulfa · 19/07/2023 16:00

I'm enjoying imagining global icon Martina asking her PA who this shouty India character is:

A retired sportsperson? No.
A sports scientist then? No.
Someone famous in the UK? Not really....was a newsreader apparently?
Oh, on the BBC? No. Regional news, in Cumbria. A few years ago.
So what is their job then? Um...

Reallybadidea · 19/07/2023 15:51

Froodwithatowel · 18/07/2023 18:12

Is there any transwoman who is not male? It's the one sole requisite characteristic. No one who is not biologically male can ever be a transwoman.

And whatever surgical or hormonal adaptations a male person makes to their body, they can only become a surgically and hormonally adapted biological male. They are expanding the bandwidth of male biological variation and that is all that is possible.

I asked a transwoman on twitter once whether I, as someone born female, could actually identify as a transwoman. Apparently I can! The whole gender identity belief system is so outside of reason and logic that you have to conclude that material reality just doesn't exist for some of them.

Madamecastafiore · 19/07/2023 15:44

Does that mean they won't get checked for cancers/illnesses which mainly or only affect men or will they still want those privileges as well?