KJK and the neo-nazis video

So, I have looked through the transcript, again.

The list seems to be:

JKRowling - I don't believe she has changed to being 'far right' in the past day or so, has she @clothesintervention ? Care to tell us how?

Plus, I don't believe that Joanne Rowling 'supports' Kellie Jay other than supporting Kellie Jay's freedom of speech and freedom from being defamed and libelled. But I could be wrong.

People who have spoken at or attended and not spoken at events:

The Proud Boy was mentioned from Miami. As yet I am waiting for a now deleted poster called Quen to produce the transcript of just what Baracenas said that Quen disagreed with. Maybe clothes can help there instead as I doubt that Quen will be back in the form of Quen.

Hearts of Oak - and yet, I doubt that Hearts of Oak have been back and they were there because on one issue they agree with the majority of feminists. Are they 'far right'? Was that ever established ?

Emma Nicholson - who was called an 'anti-abortionist'. Well, Emma Nicholson has supported abortion in the past, a fact that is usually conveniently forgotten. Would clothes like to state the current English law? And what Emma Nicholson has said about this? I have her voting record and comments around somewhere from previous discussions, but I will let @clothesintervention give us the factual representation of those.

Oh... yes clothes please tell us how Baroness Nicholson is 'far right' please. I mean, she was also a Lib Dem MP.

Media mentioned and interviews

Daily Mail - numerous times.... but apparently this is not about the Daily Mail.

GB News - want to tell us about their 'far right' credentials? When did Andrew Doyle become 'far right'?

Rebel News - is a Jewish founded media service 'aligned' with 'Nazis' Clothes? They certainly are conservative. Care to tell us what makes them 'far right'?

Associations with

Hands across the Aisle - would you like to now also tell us how an organisation who is about getting radical feminists and conservatives to discuss issues is 'far right'?

Brandon Showalter - an investigative journalist for the Christian Post. Yes, he is conservative. Would you please tell us how he is 'far right'? I believe he did a masters in Human rights. This youtuber has said that Showalter is anti-abortion. Now, I did a quick search and I know that I am tired, but I couldn't find anything that Showalter said that states that Showalter is anti-abortion. Please do have a look and let us know. (and I don't mean an article that he has written, I mean something that gives his actual opinion!)

WOLF - Can someone please provide evidence that WOLF is 'far right' please? They are clear that they are not 'anti-abortion-, just as KJK is. So, what else are they to be vilified for?

Let's have an actual discussion rather than having false representations being flung around by a misogynist youtuber.

Who on this list is 'far right' and why? I am very keen to see the evidence rather than someone's misrepresentations.

Yeah, even if she did do an interview with someone bad, OK you might think that's a personal mistake, or a strategic mistake, but it makes no difference to the issue of whether TWAW and single sex spaces.

Well if she walks the same as a duck.....burn 'er.

@Helleofabore
If you removed ad hominems there's nothing left for them to say.
Notice KJK's policies never get discussed, it's just ad hominems, and guilt by association. It's just the "burn the witch" of our times.

By the way clothes, would it be fair to say that this male is a misogynist who is a self-identified influencer who has been proven to present false representations to gain clicks and views, yet here YOU are supporting him on a feminist chat board.

What does that say about you?

So far I am half way through the transcript and I haven't got a list of organisations for you. Just lots of falsehoods. Oh... yes. She was interviewed by Rebel News. An alternative media outlet. Want to tell us what she said in that interview that you disagreed with?

You know, address the facts not just issue ad hominem attacks?

That's far too sensible. What are you thinking, trying to make people accountable for what they say??

It’s all so silly, this right-wing/left-wing thing. I looked at Susie Green’s Twitter feed a while ago, and align with her on just about everything APART FROM her views on how to treat gender dysphoric children. I’m not ever going to agree with her on that, but would like her and get on well with her on lots else. It’s easy enough to find common ground with people, to establish a rapport, without having to agree with them on anything/everything else - as a nurse I had to do it all day every day for 35 years.

Maybe read the fucking thread! I watched the fucking video and addressed most of the points. Or have you forgotten?

If you cannot provide a list of these 'far right' entities yet you continue to defame and libel a person because of this 'list', then why the fuck should one reader take anything you say as being credible?

Shall I go and get the list from the transcript? You can then tell us all whether this person's, who has been demonstrated to be false or to have falsely represented nearly everything he has said, view on what is 'far right' matches YOUR view. And then you can explain to us why you think they are 'far right' rather than 'just right wing'.

Ah. I didn't see it. Thanks for the clarity

Ask hq.

Because it was a snippet and a screenshot designed to give a false impression.

They really are.

People must have missed the memo that KJK has said she will speak to the devil himself if it means saving one single child.

And I'm pretty sure she has the logical wherewithal to understand the difference between speaking to, and endorsing.

Just for the hard of hearing. She is not a feminist, and speaks to who she wants.

Shaming tactics are like water off her very, very waterproof ducks' back.

And trying to make mumsnetters feel shameful by association is...making me snort actually.

Threads about KJK are like catnip aren’t they….

Why was the post with the Kellie-Jay Keen/CPAC sponsorship and flights links deleted? I didn't see anything against talk guidelines.

Thanks for the clarity.

Now, can we discuss CPAC Australia and whether they are ‘far right’? And how a past chairman of the Australian Labour Party and a longtime and well known indigenous activist who is now the chairman of CPAC turned into a ‘far right’ figure to people who seem to have little understanding of Australian politics, but seem very keen to position themselves as experts enough to call people ‘far right’?

So you cannot provide a list of the ‘far right’ associations? Or you don’t want to because… why?

Things that have been called “far right” by TRAs off the top of my head:

JK Rowling
The Guardian
Me (in real life)
The BBC
The Daily Mail/Times/Telegraph
Julie Bindel
Kathleen Stock
Mr Menno
Moira Deeming

cool, nice of them to help her out

KJK characterises the neo-nazis as "one of the most vile ideologies that has ever existed on this planet" here.
https://www.youtube.com/live/m21_LEX9KJU?feature=share

You need help, @clothesintervention

I did watch the video. It is nothing by guilt by association. Something which I believe that you embrace as a means to discredit people you dislike.

I look forward to your list of people she has ‘had dealings with’ that aligns her politically with that group or person. Bring them on!!

Otherwise it is all still ‘vague’ accusations based on guilt by association.

Oh yes, such a poor tactic that leads to public apologies, and a groundswell of support all round the world.

What far right white supremacist outlet did she go on in the video?
I can't be bothered to watch the video sorry. I gave up after 5 mins.

Are people here unable to distinguish between the right and the far right?

🤣🤣🤣

That’s hilarious. TRAs have been known to call the Guardian a far right rag FFS!!

Transactivists show themselves up, every day, single, time. They can't help it. From the insanity of their beliefs, to the violence they use to impose them on others.

Their lack of analysis, and rants of inarticulate self interest is what started Operation Let Them Speak, ffs.

They go out of their way to be hoist by their own petards, because they are blind to what others see.

When they are faced with a gleefully gender conforming, bottle blonde lording it over them, telling them she never loses, it sends them into the stratosphere.

It's laughable that you find it a narcissistic brag, when it's perfectly obvious to everyone else, that it's a highly successful tactic.