KJK and the neo-nazis video

It's very, very similar to arguing with TRAs.

Excepting of course that no one threatens to punch you, rape you, murder you or calls you part of some historical Nasty Movement they vaguely remember hearing someone else talk about, but in fact know sod all about, just because it sounds good.

And they tend to quite like actual facts and spend a lot of time asking for actual conversation instead of just repeating mantras.

But you do you, hang out on the boards you still enjoy. If one small blond woman can put you off wanting equality and rights for women and children then you probably weren't that attached to them in the first place really.

“Can't be arsed now as any spirit of intelligent, thoughtful debate is gone.”

Oh dear. And here you are supporting an OP who has not offered one shred of ‘intelligent, thoughtful debate’ in this thread. What does that say about you?

“All these posters, effectively putting their fingers in their ears and going la-la-la as they have swallowed KJK's narc bullshit. ”

And there we have it!

It is not about ‘intelligent, thoughtful debate’ at all. It seems to be all about the opportunity to shame women for their choice in who they give any support at all to. You have a personal gripe about a woman, so you believe that all feminists should not give support to her.

Seems that your issue is a deep prejudice rather than anything else.

“That they won't even watch the video before commenting speaks volumes.”

Did you watch it and post your analysis of it? No? So your post is also hypocritical too.

“It's a waste of time, they're not engaging their brains, they're just repeating what they know they're meant to say.”

I suspect you are a poster who has tried to argue this kind of shite on other threads and therefore you would probably know that much of the accusations that will be in that video have already been shown to be flawed. Maybe you are a poster who is overly reliant on ‘guilt by association’ in the past.

It is laughable that statement of yours, posters commenting on this thread are some who have been the ones to provide swathes of actual thought out rebuttal in the past. If the OP was that interested, they have been on FWR for a while, they could have used advanced search to see previous points that we have already argued.

Why the fuck should any poster expect other posters to keep posting the same information because they were too lazy to go and look for it, and to start a thread adding not one shred of ‘intelligent and thoughtful debate” to the thread they started in the first place?

KJK can demolish the TRA argument in one sentence by asking them to define 'woman'.

If the counter argument relies on people watching a two hour video, I predict, and this is just a hunch, that it's crap.

I hate watching videos anyway - just get to the point FFS - but if you need two hours to say it, then I do tend to assume that you don't have anything that would make your argument within ten minutes.

In effect, there's no evidence, no smoking gun at all. Just wittering and 'but what she REALLY meant here was...'.

See also, all the excruciating dissections of JKR's essay against the clarion call of what she actually wrote.

Lovey the video is 2 hours long

and if the 10 minutes I watched is indicative it’s also so boring it’s bordering on criminal

It’s very reasonable to ask someone who asks you to spend 2 hours of your life watching what appears to be on first examination a stolid extrusion from a roundly boring misogynist which bits of said log they’d especially recommend

you won’t reply of course because you can’t explain why you think what you think

doesn’t thinking what other people tell you to get boring after a while?

This is a bit like a Jehovah's Witness or some other missionary turning up, handing you a copy of the Bible and saying "just wondering if anyone here has seen this yet and what you think of it".

It's a bit low-effort.

"Any passages you particularly recommend?"

"Nope."

And then getting grumpy that you won't discuss it :)

Your traditional missionary type is annoying, but we've discovered something even worse - the missionary who doesn't know their own product.

Again, if there's a particularly compelling direct quote or key point you can timestamp, I'll look.

What I won't do is waste my one and only life staring at yet another denunciation and guilt -by-association dickfest.

That they won't even watch the video before commenting speaks volumes.

There's not a shred of evidence the OP has watched the video.

I totally agree.

I was a FWR regular, used to post here all the time.

Can't be arsed now as any spirit of intelligent, thoughtful debate is gone.

All these posters, effectively putting their fingers in their ears and going la-la-la as they have swallowed KJK's narc bullshit.

That they won't even watch the video before commenting speaks volumes.

It's a waste of time, they're not engaging their brains, they're just repeating what they know they're meant to say.

It's very, very similar to arguing with TRAs.

No, that's not how this works.

Time stamps or direct, verbatim quotes of the evidence that particularly convinced you, please.

Don't take this personally, but there's oceans of misogynist shite out there about KJK, JKR and all women who put their head over the parapet and I've a million better things to do than wade through one more man's hot take.

If there's a particularly good point IYO I'll go take a look, though, so have at it.

I hate it when Hitler gets in your phone. Try reset to fascistic settings?

This!

Humus should of course be humming

sometimes I suspect that my phone is possessed

maybe literally by Hitler?

Also I am sitting here humus ‘everyone I don’t like is literally Hitler’ and I suspect it’s going to go on all day

so thanks for that @Froodwithatowel

😍

Marry me Arabella

I see being asked to explain why she thinks what she thinks has scared the OP off. It’s probably bullying or something

fuck me I am so unbelievably tired of people with received opinions who are unable to explain why they believe what they believe and don’t seem the least bit worried by that

Isn't that statement from the OP, erm, defamatory ..? How is it even still up on here? Crikey.

V good. Love Ian Dury!

Apart from me because I know my national flag is the Union Flag and not the Union Jack.

The term ‘jack’ was used before 1600 to describe a small flag, with the pole named after the flag about 150 years later. Calling the Union Flag a ‘jack’ thus refers to the time when it was often used in a small format.

Some of us aren't ostentatious. We show our "allegiances" in small ways.

Presumably you have your own quadrangle and full height flagpole.

In the deserts of Sudan
And the gardens of Japan

From Milan to Yucatán
Every woman, every man

Hit me with your 'fascistic'
Hit me, hit me

Je t'adore, ich liebe dich
Hit me, hit me, hit me

Hit me with your 'fascist' schtick
Hit me slowly, hit me quick

Hit me, hit me
Hit me

You created a thread about a video from an individual who is a self identified social media ‘influencer’ who relies on clicks for their fame. They have nothing but their biased and prejudiced views. It has been debunked on FWR before.

As I and others have already told you, it is all based on fallacy. Guilt by association is a very lazy approach to trying to discredit someone.

If you start a thread such as this, you don’t start it and then disappear. Why the fuck start it if you are too busy to engage? Why the fuck should any person spend two hours on a video that you have added nothing to except the OP and whining posts?

If you have not one shred of commentary to offer, don’t bother starting a thread about a video from a male individual who is no fucking feminist on a feminist forum! You complain people have stated they believe you are bad faith, and your actions so far have confirmed this. So, you have nothing to offer. Just the video and you want others to ‘discuss it’.

Fuck that. Why should one poster spend time going over information we have constantly posted on before.

Fucking use the advanced search and do your own fucking research like a fucking grown up.

It is true. I suspect what you mean is that you haven't done any actual research but it doesnt fit your existing beliefs. It might be an inconvenient truth, but still true.
I also note that you've taken gay people's struggles under Nazism and used that to make claims about trans people. Don't do that. It's homophobic AF and erases the very real history of gay people murdered under Nazism.

Her ideology is fascistic and dangerous, and it's really depressing to see it being pushed on a forum that's supposedly feminist

Oh dear. Perhaps you ought to see a doctor about that? Depression caused by people mentioning that women are adult human females is treatable.

Depression can cause you to imagine there are dangerous fascists saying things like adult human female in Hyde Park as you lose your grip on reality.

With the right medication and perhaps counselling hopefully in a year or so you can read those words without it triggering thoughts of danger, and you will come to realise that it's just ordinary women after all.

Speedy recovery. 🙏

OP also doesn't appear to understand the laws concerning slander and libel. OP should reflect on this and consider asking MNHQ to take down this thread.

Are you unable today produce them independent of the video? Gosh, you and lettuce seem to be easy convinced.

Are you always so easily led by people who reinforce your own prejudices? Maybe I am a born skeptic who needs to see original sources to believe most people.

Or maybe I am not so quick to judge people. I don’t even tend to judge extreme trans activists until I see a pattern of behaviour that I verify is from them.

Your posts are not coming across as informed at all. Yet you don’t seem to understand that.

Well, I've just reported the thread, so we shall see.

Incidentally, did anyone else think Shaun sounds just like Freda Wallace?