KJK and the neo-nazis video

I don’t need to remember you username. I remember you using the argument ‘she is using you all’.

I doubt I have seen more than one or two posters try that argument on here before.

Women with little money give it to her because they think they're helping the cause, and she spends it on her mortgage and funding her lifestyle. And you lot are OK with it! It beggars belief. She's basically acting like a dodgy cult leader at this point.

Of course she's funding it!

How the fuck else do you think she's going to go all over the country letting women speak??

For the love of God, try and drag yourself out of the 1950s and understand that women don't do shit for nothing anymore. However much you dislike that, I'm afraid the world has moved on.

Plus we get some sparkly T-shirts! Win/win.

The most revealing thing about your post is how incapable you are of understanding that marginalised women speaking all over the globe, is something that we actually want to listen to.

It's so utterly meaningless to you, you think it's a grift !!!

An actual con. Funding a woman who lets women speak is so irrelevant to you, it must be a trick.

Damning.

you go on, carry on supporting this ridiculous woman.

I think you may have mistaken 'prepared to stand up for equality of access, sex based rights and child safeguarding' for 'I'm a KJK fangirl'.

This is a characteristic of Not A Cult you see - no hive mind. The capacity to agree on some things, disagree with others. The capacity to function without outsourcing leadership and thinking skills to one person and trailing in their wake shouting mantras without the brain actually engaging.

I greatly respect KJK, she is one of the great women in this time who has done immense amounts for women's rights in this battle to retain them, alongside women like Maya and Alison. I don't agree with everything she says, and I'd bet she wouldn't agree unconditionally with me either, and I still think what she has done for women is amazing. I hugely support her providing a space - at great personal expense of time and risk and investment - to hand a mic to any woman or girl who wants to speak and be heard.

I'm invested in women's rights, and that involves actual diversity and tolerance. Not flapping a flag with KJK on it. And I think she'd tell me in words of one syllable how silly she thought I was being if I did.

And this whole right wing nazi stuff is desperate, it really is. It shows more than anything that KJK IS doing it perfectly right, in that she is causing enough of a threat to the genderist political movement that people will spend their time trying to crowbar doubt in to the minds of women about her. As if should they begin to doubt that KJK is in fact a jackboot wearing nutjob with a secret agenda to take her little tank and build the fourth reich in Basingstoke, they'll shrug and abandon wanting rights and equality.

That isn't going to happen, is it?

Haven't watched it all, but a couple of points...

The video claims KJK is "transphobic" because (1) she hates trans people, and (2) opposes trans rights.

But being on the claimed "women's rights" side, isn't obviously irrational compared to being on the claimed "trans rights" side. If anything, I would think e.g. wanting to keep males out of women's sports has a clear rational justification.

So therefore it's not really "transphobia" in a meaningful sense without a lot of further argument.

Secondly, KJK is said to be a single issue campaigner that is willing to sacrifice abortion rights. But what I think the facts are here, is that abortion rights aren't under threat in the UK, and anything KJK does will make virtually no difference to US politics on the issue of abortion.

You can accept funding from a group that is anti abortion, and it doesn't mean you have really helped the anti abortion cause. Now if you were funding them, sure, that's more of a case.

I think it's fine to make a strategic decision that some limited cooperation with US conservative groups is likely to result in benefits on issue A, and probably isn't going to make any difference to issue B.

That KJK "shares a platform" with someone, I doubt she has "sacrificed" abortion rights because she really isn't that important to American politics!

Come on clothes, give us a couple of pertinent points from the video with a time stamp. Some incontrovertible facts? If you have been a regular on here then you'll know how important it is to provide facts and evidence when you're trying to support an ideology that's doing so much harm to children & women on the basis of "it's what I believe / want you bigot".

So come on, prove us wrong and do what you're demanding other women to. Watch the video and point us in the right direction. Unless of course there's nothing evidential /factual at all 😄

not sure what MNHQ have said to other people who reported this thread, but the impression I got was that they think we are all well able to rebut this bollox - let the shit arguments play out for all to see

I watched it until he used KJK taking the piss that everything these days is transphobic therefore she must be a transphobe as proof she is a transphobe

if you regularly post on this board you will have seen the work other posters do to inform - spending lots of time transcribing videos for other posters so they don’t have to watch it

don’t post this shit which we’ve seen a thousand times before unless you really have a gotcha

Are we going to see a lot of 'identifies as centrist' men speaking out against uppity women and in favour of trans rights from now on?

😱 no shit Sherlock!

Such new and fantastic news.

God I'm so in awe of you for giving me this brand new information.

@clothesintervention , the only excuse I need not to watch a two-hour long YouTube video is that it's TWO FUCKING HOURS LONG!

If I had two hours to spare, I'd do something I enjoy. I don't watch GC videos that are two hours long. Or even 20 minutes tbh.

If there's something evidenced and clearly documented and written, I'll look.

If there's an especially telling passage I can be pointed to, I'll look.

If there's nothing punchy and conclusive to watch, I'm not going to waste my time. On either side of the debate.

I tried to watch it.

One of My post from yesterday

OK I'm done

16.08 minutes

"Kelly Jay Keene can't play nice with the other transphobes"

That's quite enough of his drivel.

After 16 minutes of listening to his constant mistruths and calling everyone who is gender critical anti trans and transphobes why the fuck would I want to listen to any more of it? He wasnt coming from a neutral position intent on looking at it honestly. He had made up his mind and was making the information fit his version of events.

But here you are having a go yet have so far been unable to give us any time stamps of where he reveals some actual information that's truthful and may sway our opinion. Instead you just come on here to have a go

Really, you remember my posts? I doubt it.

What's my usual posting name then, clever clogs?

You don't need KJK's permission to speak, you know 😘

Yes. I remember your posts.

They lacked any of that ‘intelligent and thoughtful debate’ you declare you value.

And even here you don’t mention specifics. Just vague, ‘the evidence is all there’. Your posts reek of hypocrisy.

The facts remain that KJK is marketing herself at the far right, No she isn't

she's throwing women under the bus, no she isn't

she's a self serving egotist no she isn't, and even if she is so what.

who's only concerned with her own popularity and money. No she isn't

Women with little money give it to her because they think they're helping the cause, women have agency you know, give them credit for being able to decide what they do with their own money

and she spends it on her mortgage and funding her lifestyle. Because this is her job now how else is she expected to pay the bills And sorry pout the events where she lets women speak

And you lot are OK with it! Yep

It beggars belief. Only to you

She's basically acting like a dodgy cult leader at this point. Meh!

No, I expect you to look for any excuse not to watch it, exactly as you are doing, so you can avoid having to face up to what's actually going on here.

Same as my TRA friend refuses to read articles about gender ideology in the Mail, Telegraph or Spectator as she's made up her mind they're transphobic so won't read it.

Same refusal to engage in the actual arguments or consider you're being manipulated and lied to.

It makes you more vulnerable to being manipulated and lied to, by the way.

I have watched (most of) the video, yes, and the bloke doesn't get it right all the time, it's pretty frustrating in places, but even so, the evidence about KJK is there

So the video is long, frustrating, boring and wrong in places, but you want us to wade through it anyway rather than say what the 'evidence' is?

No, there is no point.

I've tried talking with you lot about KJK and frankly I have better things to do with my Sunday.

My experience the last several times I've tried this is her fans here will try every trick in the book to twist and deflect and minimise so they don't need to face what she is, and that she's using you all.

As I said I can't be arsed any more.

The facts remain that KJK is marketing herself at the far right, she's throwing women under the bus, she's a self serving egotist who's only concerned with her own popularity and money.

Women with little money give it to her because they think they're helping the cause, and she spends it on her mortgage and funding her lifestyle. And you lot are OK with it! It beggars belief. She's basically acting like a dodgy cult leader at this point.

And, no, I offer no proof. It's all out there. I know you lot just don't want to hear it, and are happy to waste hours excusing the inexcusable so I'm not going to waste my time.

I have watched (most of) the video, yes, and the bloke doesn't get it right all the time, it's pretty frustrating in places, but even so, the evidence about KJK is there.

And what she's up to is damaging to women's rights.

But you go on, carry on supporting this ridiculous woman. I mean, have you actually listened to her? "I never lose".

She's a joke. What kind of deluded, narc nonsense is that? Honestly. Have some self respect!

KJK is running a grift, it's tragic to see so many of you fall for it.

This is all about the dreadful propaganda of the picture of Posie over those saluting men isn't it?

Simply planting that disgusting picture does the work for the idiots or so they think.

I'm relying on Google maps!
Driving up from Glasgow and picking up a friend in Arbroath on the way.

@clothesintervention @niandraladesand Is it really not possible to summarise the evidence contained within this apparently very long video?

😂

Oh no, this video is definitely proof and evidence of something.

Possibly just that any random idiot can post hours long videos on youtube, but who knows?

I don't think they can point to a bit. You know, the whole video is a vibe, yanno, where the bad lady turns out to be super evil for like, I dunno, reasons? It's a whole thing.

So, which bits of the video did you find particularly interesting? I look forward to your thoughtful input.