KJK and the neo-nazis video

Hahaha, no I know. 😂 My little ladybrain is struggling to comprehend anything.

That said, I hope not many of the left-of-centre Feminists being very clever has actually read the manifesto and still thinks it’s a good idea.
Or maybe they have?

I am really keen on social democracy though. It is a good mix, even if it is a difficult balancing act.
And that balancing act is what would be really good to have when it comes to this stuff too.

I dont think they aren't listened to because some may be promoting marxism or any other supposedly leftish view.

The problem is their tone. And it isn't just the groups like Actual Gender Critical Left and some who come on FWR, its every where. If you every watch any of the tv news slots where they have commentator discussing the newspapers you will see it there.

They are all so self righteous. They sneer at everybody, They radiate a self sense of their own intellectual and political superiority. And they rely on extreme, usually irrational and unprovable allegations alongs the lines of, if you think that you are stupid / a nazi / been hood winked etc., etc, to secure their arguement

Added to which they actually dont anything that is of any value to anyone else, ie engender a group approach to solve a share problem. Everything just comes down to masturbating their egos in public.

So KJK makes them irrationally because she doesn't have intellectual pretentions, and then to add insult to injury, she allows "ordinary" women to have a voice, when they know that "ordinary" women should be sitting meekly listening to this self selected elite either online, or sitting meekly in rows whilst they pontificate from a platform.

All of this!

teawamutu

"You should post this somewhere as an article, it's the new Pronouns are Rohypnol."

You are too kind! 💜

Sadly, it would also be fiendishly outing.

"(My autocarrot tried to render Rohypnol as 'right thinking'. Niiiice trrrryyyy.)"

That did literally make me Laugh Out Loud! 😂

Here's a fine selection of what the internet thinks about Pronouns, searched in an Incognito Browser so as not to be influenced by my past history.

@turbonerd no no no obviously you just don't understand how brilliant Marxism is by focussing on all the death and horror. That wasn't proper Marxism, proper Marxism will be amazing etc etc.

Oh god no. No Marxist revolution Thank you kindly.
You know the Soviets in the 1920’s did follow Marx’ Communist manifesto to a tee.
I read it in full last year and was pretty horrified at the bits I feel have been airbrushed out. Or maybe I just didn’t pay attention, that is a distinct possibility.

Am a complete fan-girl of Helen Joyce’s way of talking clearly and directly. Kind, and honest.

Save it definitely, you know how they love repeats.

So, can I close the transcript down then @clothesintervention ? You have no comment and nothing to contribute that is based on fact and not misrepresentation?

or should I just save the transcript for next time you attempt to repeat your claims based on nothing factual and based on the view of a misogynist..... I reckon I need to save it. Because I expect that we will be doing yet another round of this very soon.

That's brilliant, Bosky.

Why do they have to make their way here though and subject us to the sight of them repeatedly punching themselves in the head?

Perfect.

When they're trying this hard, and for this long, at some point they must realise that it's not working. And they can put that down to us being brainwashed, or they can put it down to them being wrong, but they must realise, it. doesn't. work.

Helen Joyce is becoming (has become) one of the great communicators of the current age. Megyn Kelly has vocalised and summarised the arguments in a way that will reach hundreds of thousands if not millions of Americans.

I've watched and read tonnes of the Marxist critique tribe, and while it is fairly impenetrable (possibly deliberately so), I don't think they realise that not understanding is why their ideas aren't gaining traction.

The reason is at its most basic, the public don't want a Marxist revolution. The public aren't buying what they are selling, because they don't want it not because they are brainwashed by the right wing press or whatever reason is used.

Therefore the radical Marxist tribe are fighting a battle they'll never win as they have done for decades, so I guess are get frustrated as these types always have.

One day the producers of the 3 hour long interpretative dance version of the Terf War years will thank you for this sentence.

Only three hours?

That's a great article. Sets out the situation very clearly. Thanks for sharing

Truth bomb to start the day.

You should post this somewhere as an article, it's the new Pronouns are Rohypnol.

(My autocarrot tried to render Rohypnol as 'right thinking'. Niiiice trrrryyyy.)

Bosky · Today 06:50
I do wish these Pure and True Feminists would stop flapping around in circles shrieking like startled geese.

One day the producers of the 3 hour long interpretative dance version of the Terf War years will thank you for this sentence.

I do wish these Pure and True Feminists would stop flapping around in circles shrieking like startled geese. It's exhausting having to watch them do it and it reflects badly on all of us. (Tongue only partly in cheek.)

Some of them, some but by no means all, are otherwise sensible people and Get Stuff Done. However, the way they all carry on means that they are not taken seriously, at least not outside of their self-congratulatory, preening clique and their claque of "pick me" fan-girls.

Looking on the bright side, they expend so much time and energy frothing and ranting about KJK, wasting their brains composing well-honed diatribes and charting spider-graphs of tenuous "associations", that hardly anyone has even heard of them.

Maybe that is what drives them crazy about KJK and all the other women they hate? Maya, Helen Joyce, Kara Dansky, Baroness Nicholson, etc. They are painfully aware of their own irrelevance while traumatised by the cognitive dissonance of craving approval from, and alignment with, the hordes of misogynistic men controlling the Left.

It must be a huge release of tension and pent up anger to come out fists flailing to try to give KJK a sound thrashing. Why do they have to make their way here though and subject us to the sight of them repeatedly punching themselves in the head? Are they not getting enough attention on Twitter and Facebook? Has everyone blocked them to avoid having to witness their obsessive, self-destructive rage?

Yet another posse of deranged, FWR-bothering stalkers. Tedious as fuck.

What strikes me is how one woman makes some people so irrational. So irrational that they will believe any false representation or lie, any guilt by association attempt and keep spreading it without critically looking at it.

So irrational that it makes some supposedly feminist groups bully a woman they simply disagree with.

So irrational it makes some feminist groups act in the most hypocritical of ways. So hypocritical that they cannot understand that they really have in some ways acted just like the groups they denounce as being extremist (and rightly recognised as extremist).

It is the victim blaming by feminists who claim moral superiority that is stark. And this is a general observation because there is a group of the them who do it. And do it proudly.

It is remarkable. And once you see it, you cannot unsee it.

Re WOLF, Kara Dansky wrote about this yesterday.

I salute your indefatigability @Helleofabore

Totally agree - that compilation is just brilliant as it lists not just the silly video but what so many other KJK is a "nazi" posts on social media.

Also what's interesting is when its clear that this suggestion is just nonsense thae arguement that is then used but we (who? feminists? GCs?) are all being smeared by this.

When someone said this on another thread I asked who it was that was saying "we" had all been pushed into this category and got no answer.

So I could only conclude that the people who go on and on about this aren't in fact interested in what free thinking women are thinking, but are far more concerned about what some unsophisticated, immature incel, who thinks they are radically left, but in fact just hates women who have opinions, especially if they are women old enough to be his mum.

Or of course they could be desparate acolytes on Actual Gender Critical Left, frantically trying to show they are a true believer and will go to any length to carry on this witch hunt.

When of course their time would be so much better spent in putting on events, or writing blogs that we positive and "actual" contributions to promoting gender critical views from a left perspective.

Can only conclude they cant and so attempt to smear those who can and show them up as failures.

It's not about the Daily Mail, FFS.

Glad you got that bit right.

Its about the lazy attempt to imply that an association with is the same as being aligned.

I take this over the top reaction to mean you have been caught out so are attempting to deflect.

I salute your indefatigability @Helleofabore

The lurkers can find the exchanges between the Weaksauce Smear Police and the Fact Oriented Detail Corps (that's you btw) informative I'm sure.

ooh... I suggest you contact MNHQ and ask. I am very sure that they would love to hear from you directly. They respond to emails.

smear her.

Oh... and by the way do you read your posts back occasionally.

You admit this man is 'a dick', who is trying to smear KJK and that you don't agree with his conclusions or his politics.

YOU ARE here on the thread telling us that we should take note of what he says though. Without once addressing any specific point. Just more vagueness.

You then victim blame KJK for 'making it easy for people like him to smear here, and 'us'. Wow! Way to go for supposedly a feminist who has decades of feminising the right way if I remember correctly.

So, rather than point out where he is fucking wrong, you fucking join in the vilification and victim blame! Well done.

Thank you for taking the time to do that @Helleofabore. Hopefully by the time I’ve made a cup of tea and grabbed my Tunnocks clothes will have come back with their reply.

Oh. and @clothesintervention , if I missed some people, please let me know. I have the transcript up on my desktop and I am very happy to check where I missed something. It is a mess a transcript so I am likely to have missed someone.

Thanks. Looking forward to that informed list of far right people and organisations and the evidence to back it up.