Labour canvasser today

Boots says that where they are they don’t have the same choice between parties as most of us do.

That's a no brainer Tory vote for me but probably not for 'Boots'.

Of course I’d prefer a party untainted by gender bollocks. But there isn’t one available to me.

I don’t think it’s irrational to question why, when you look at all the bad shit that’s happened under one party, people think the other guys are worse. That’s a perfectly reasonable question. But lots and lots of answers to that have been given on this thread and people don’t seem to be listening. The fact is the current Tory leadership contingent are on the whole unsympathetic to genderism. The opposite is true of their opposite numbers. When I want to know what might happen that’s what I think about, not what the views of the may government of 5 years ago were.

OK so I have a vote in a three way marginal constituency. Should I vote for:

The current incumbent who is a rather right-wing, getting on a bit brexiteer but also an effective constituency MP who spoke eloquently in favour of women's sex-based rights a couple of weeks ago having clearly spent time researching the subject.

The Lib-Dem candidate at the last election who told me that I was a bigot for even questioning the right for transpeople to access single sex spaces.

The Labour candidate at the last election who told me that any questions about gender were unhelpful.

I would appreciate your advice.

The Tories have been a disaster for women. I am a feminist so of course I am anti-Tory.

Nor is it something I use to shield TRAs from criticism because they wear a blue rosette.[angry [

So you aren't using it as a shield for your anti-Toryism?

My feminism is right out there. It is not something I hide behind.

JW is a Tory MP now. That might not bother you because they are a Tory, but as I said, all it will take is for him to turn up to work in a skirt, use the Ladies and Sunak will fall over himself to commend the stunning bravery of it all.

Would you see him as not a threat if he was Labour, Lib-Dem, Green or SNP?

And slither away to hide behind feminism.

Why the fuck would I say that? I am a feminist, not a handmaiden for any political party.

Boots will now say that they aren’t trying to persuade anyone to vote Labour, just not for the Tories.

@TooBigForMyBoots I am trying and failing to understand your position. Please could you help me here?

JW will not, under any circumstances, be an MP after the next election. He has a majority of of about 2k and will be wiped out. He has now and has never had any influence over Tory policy. Nobody even knew that he was 'trans' until his embarrassing car accident.

You have spent the entire thread throwing Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt. Either say that you believe that a Labour government will restore all the factors that have been lost in the last 13 years and women's self-sex rights will be protected or that women's rights are a price worth paying to get the other stuff.

Please stop trying to confuse me?

Thanks. I thought it was just me. No one takes JW seriously, least of all his own party.

We're yis saying the same thing about Ada and Amy?

It’s a frustrating diversion.

JW is a sitting MP in the government. He has a seat on Women's and Equalities. He is a necessary vote for the weak PM Sunak. All he has to do is turn up to work in his leather mini skirt and walk into the Ladies.

I have no doubt that when he leaves parliament as She, they will have much more influence. Like Balloo's kid did when they transferred their time, software tech talent to Twitter and Reddit. Being a sitting MP in the government means JW is the most powerful TRA in the country right now and his TRA influence post politics, will be hugely amplified.

He has no more power than next door's cat. Please get a sense of perspective?

*Ian Anderson, sorry!

We'll have to agree to disagree on that one. People like Nancy Kelley & Ian Armstrong have far more influence than Jamie Wallace IMO.

He is the most powerful TRA in our country.

Bridgend was formerly Labour before JW. It's a v Brexit-y area so that was part of the reasons behind the result. Welsh Labour are also v different to English/Scottish Labour. Welsh Labour have been running Wales for a while and public services are no better, and in some areas worse than in other parts of the UK. His predecessor also got tarnished by the MP expenses scandal. So not entirely surprising he got in last time, but really unlikely he'll hold that seat given everything that's emerged about him since. I'm not sure why you keep referring back to him. He really isn't the smoking gun you seem to be trying to suggest he is.

He was elected by the people of Brigend who had clearly taken leave of their senses...

Maybe they were taken in by the lie "at least the Tories know what a woman is".

Quite. As things currently stand I've honestly no one to vote for. My only hope is that by the time the election rolls around, this will have become such an obvious vote loser than it'll have been dropped. I have found it v interesting to watch Labour people such as Anneliese Dodds, Wes Streeting & Jess Phillips seemingly shift position towards more of a 'yes of course there are conflicts and women definitely need single sex spaces' which is a world away from the no debate/nothing to see here position of before. And today Laura Pidcock came out v strongly against the 'punch a TERF' statement.

I also find the Rhun ap Iorwerth statements interesting. Nothing really committing either way atm. Plaid have a terrible problem with misogyny anyway, and they've a long way to go in my eyes since their awful treatment of Helen Mary Jones, but I'll be waiting to see what they do on this under his leadership.