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Labour canvasser today

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SirSamVimesCityWatch · 15/07/2023 10:59

I'm in one the constituencies with a by-election coming up.

Just had a labour canvasser (woman, mid/late fifties) knock to ask if I was voting. I said yes I would be.

She asked if I knew who I was voting for. I asked if she knew what a woman was. I told her I was a single issue voter and that was the only issue that was going to decide how I voted.

Her response: "I believe a woman is anyone who believes themself to be a woman".

I told her in that case I have nothing else to say to her, and closed the door.

I would have loved to have actually put some of the issues to her (rapists in prisons, assaults in mixed sex spaces, including schools, destruction of women's sports etc) but my heart was already racing and I knew it would be like talking to a brick wall anyway.

But anyway - at least that's a clear pile in the eye for the whole 'it doesn't come up on the doorstep' nonsense.

So, I'm either voting Tory or SDP.

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SunnyEgg · 20/07/2023 07:21

TooBigForMyBoots · 20/07/2023 01:07

Well said. That's why I'm always so surprised at the Tory support here. Why would any feminist vote for them?Confused

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Why would any feminist want the alternative to win?

AgathaSpencerGregson · 20/07/2023 07:18

TooBigForMyBoots · 20/07/2023 01:07

Well said. That's why I'm always so surprised at the Tory support here. Why would any feminist vote for them?Confused

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none of the mainstream parties are feminist. In that situation, choosing the party which at least demonstrates some willingness to recognise women as a sex class doesn’t seem that unreasonable.

TooBigForMyBoots · 20/07/2023 01:07

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 19/07/2023 23:08

Would you expect gay people to vote for a party that opposed gay rights?

Would you expect black people to vote for a party that wanted black people thrown out of the UK?

Yet, somehow, women are always expected to put their own interests second.

I don't think it's clear-cut which will be the worst option for women at the next GE, but I'm fucked if I will be guilted into sacrificing my own interests. If Labour and the LibDems are happy to throw away my rights, they do not deserve my vote.

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Well said. That's why I'm always so surprised at the Tory support here. Why would any feminist vote for them?Confused

dcbc1234 · 19/07/2023 23:36

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 19/07/2023 23:08

Would you expect gay people to vote for a party that opposed gay rights?

Would you expect black people to vote for a party that wanted black people thrown out of the UK?

Yet, somehow, women are always expected to put their own interests second.

I don't think it's clear-cut which will be the worst option for women at the next GE, but I'm fucked if I will be guilted into sacrificing my own interests. If Labour and the LibDems are happy to throw away my rights, they do not deserve my vote.

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Very well said.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 19/07/2023 23:08

anniegun · 19/07/2023 12:36

Oh great the country will get another terrible Tory government thanks to you

Would you expect gay people to vote for a party that opposed gay rights?

Would you expect black people to vote for a party that wanted black people thrown out of the UK?

Yet, somehow, women are always expected to put their own interests second.

I don't think it's clear-cut which will be the worst option for women at the next GE, but I'm fucked if I will be guilted into sacrificing my own interests. If Labour and the LibDems are happy to throw away my rights, they do not deserve my vote.

RebelliousCow · 19/07/2023 13:07

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RealityFan · 19/07/2023 12:46

anniegun · 19/07/2023 12:36

Oh great the country will get another terrible Tory government thanks to you

You know that's not strictly true. About only 150 seats swing the GE, such are the vagaries of FPTP.

I absolutely believe one should vote from the heart as much as anything.

If rejoining the EU means the most to you, pick the party best suited.

Ditto migration, the NHS.

For me, however incompetent the Tories are, I'm compelled to never vote for parties out of touch with material reality.

For me, that means only two options, likely the Independent most attuned to material reality.

Labour will only have themselves to blame if the GC vote against them crystallises.

Btw, are you criticising pro EU and environmentally sensitive and Scottish nationalists for also not voting Labour, plus all the Corbynistas who would rather be seen dead than vote Starmer?

They'll also contribute to a possible Labour defeat.

anniegun · 19/07/2023 12:36

Oh great the country will get another terrible Tory government thanks to you

SunnyEgg · 19/07/2023 12:32

dcbc1234 · 19/07/2023 12:21

Well if the rumours of a reshuffle are true, perhaps Keegan is on her way out to be replaced by Cates/Badenoch instead? We can hope.
Sunak certainly needs to deliver on these issues soon. The freedom of speech in Universities is the only thing which hasn't hit the buffers so far and the various legal case outcomes.

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Cates is direct and has been raising profile on this.

She spoke earlier on the news item

RebelliousCow · 19/07/2023 12:30

dcbc1234 · 19/07/2023 12:21

Well if the rumours of a reshuffle are true, perhaps Keegan is on her way out to be replaced by Cates/Badenoch instead? We can hope.
Sunak certainly needs to deliver on these issues soon. The freedom of speech in Universities is the only thing which hasn't hit the buffers so far and the various legal case outcomes.

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Miriam Cates would be the best in this role in my view. Very Clear, knowledgeable and sympathetic.

dcbc1234 · 19/07/2023 12:21

SunnyEgg · 19/07/2023 12:12

If you want Tories out fine but even the most anti and partisan must realise it’s Labour and maybe Lib Dem’s up next is so.

Then it’s carnage for women. I wonder what those posters will say then. Not much probably.

Well if the rumours of a reshuffle are true, perhaps Keegan is on her way out to be replaced by Cates/Badenoch instead? We can hope.
Sunak certainly needs to deliver on these issues soon. The freedom of speech in Universities is the only thing which hasn't hit the buffers so far and the various legal case outcomes.

SunnyEgg · 19/07/2023 12:12

If you want Tories out fine but even the most anti and partisan must realise it’s Labour and maybe Lib Dem’s up next is so.

Then it’s carnage for women. I wonder what those posters will say then. Not much probably.

TooBigForMyBoots · 19/07/2023 11:59

Guidance for schools delayed again. The Tories are all mouth, no trousers on this. They'll say anything and everything but wont actually do anything. They will not safeguard children and they certainly don't safeguard women.

On top of that, they've wrecked the country.

BaronMunchausen · 19/07/2023 09:03

TooBigForMyBoots · 19/07/2023 00:25

Yep.

There are no Labour or Tory candidates in NI anyway? All parties there seem to be TWAW (including the Communist Party of Ireland) apart from the DUP and TUV??

CliantheLang · 19/07/2023 08:22

CappucinoAndCornetto · 19/07/2023 04:49

Please don't vote tory.

Please RTFT.

Cornettoninja · 19/07/2023 06:48

Hepwo · 18/07/2023 23:51

The vile behaviour towards women that will be unleashed if Labour win the election is worrying.

So many labour supporters are convinced that women are fascists deserving a punch and once they are supporting the party in government nothing is going to hold them back from extremism.

The labour party will become unbearable for women, the unions will be acting like lunatics and labour councils with become anti single sex exceptions overnight.

I'm not exaggerating, they are all just waiting for their coming of their Messiah.

You are exaggerating. Massively.

CappucinoAndCornetto · 19/07/2023 04:49

Please don't vote tory.

TooBigForMyBoots · 19/07/2023 00:25

Yep.

FigRollsAlly · 19/07/2023 00:23

TooBigForMyBoots · 18/07/2023 23:47

I say it cos it's true.

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I know, you’re in Northern Ireland, aren’t you, as far as I remember?

Hepwo · 19/07/2023 00:21

Thanks for reposting. Needs saying.

TooBigForMyBoots · 19/07/2023 00:09

Hepwo · 18/07/2023 23:51

The vile behaviour towards women that will be unleashed if Labour win the election is worrying.

So many labour supporters are convinced that women are fascists deserving a punch and once they are supporting the party in government nothing is going to hold them back from extremism.

The labour party will become unbearable for women, the unions will be acting like lunatics and labour councils with become anti single sex exceptions overnight.

I'm not exaggerating, they are all just waiting for their coming of their Messiah.

So don't vote Labour.

SunnyEgg · 18/07/2023 23:52

Hepwo · 18/07/2023 23:51

The vile behaviour towards women that will be unleashed if Labour win the election is worrying.

So many labour supporters are convinced that women are fascists deserving a punch and once they are supporting the party in government nothing is going to hold them back from extremism.

The labour party will become unbearable for women, the unions will be acting like lunatics and labour councils with become anti single sex exceptions overnight.

I'm not exaggerating, they are all just waiting for their coming of their Messiah.

Yes to this

Hepwo · 18/07/2023 23:51

The vile behaviour towards women that will be unleashed if Labour win the election is worrying.

So many labour supporters are convinced that women are fascists deserving a punch and once they are supporting the party in government nothing is going to hold them back from extremism.

The labour party will become unbearable for women, the unions will be acting like lunatics and labour councils with become anti single sex exceptions overnight.

I'm not exaggerating, they are all just waiting for their coming of their Messiah.

TooBigForMyBoots · 18/07/2023 23:47

FigRollsAlly · 18/07/2023 23:39

Boots says that where they are they don’t have the same choice between parties as most of us do.

I say it cos it's true.

TooBigForMyBoots · 18/07/2023 23:41

dcbc1234 · 18/07/2023 23:36

That's a no brainer Tory vote for me but probably not for 'Boots'.

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You're not wrong.Grin

In that position I'd look at other candidates, vote MRL Party or spoil my vote. Fortunately there is a year until the next GE, maybe you'll get a Communist or SDP candidate on the ballot.