Labour canvasser today

But you didn't ask the same question? How do you not know that the Tory would have answered what she thought a woman was the same way? If you already told her about the labour candidate then she is going to tell you the opposite as that is what you want to hear.

Have a look at @Rudderneck post. Are you ok with that?

Make it the SDP. Tories have no honour themselves...signed, an eight-times Tory voter.

I live in Canada. I would just like to say, don't underestimate the consequences if these kinds of laws get changed.

It will suddenly become almost impossible to speak out on the issue. If you feel people risk their jobs now, it will be 100 times worse.

I honestly don't know if I can vote for any of them. I used to be Labour but for obvs reasons, left them. In the scheme of things , Labour policies apart for self Id are more to my political beliefs but I find alot of their Mps absolutely disgusting like Clive Lewis. Same with the Lib Dems. Greens are dodgy. And all the nonsense has been going on under the Tories hasn't it and I don't trust them to do much about men invading our spaces. Or children being harmed by GI. So I don't know. I do think the country is in a right bloody state with the Tories. The Labour canvasser sounds pathetic ,OP. They don't come near my house as I know alot of them cos I used to be in the local Party and they know my terven ways. Might just spoil my vote again. Depressing isn't it?

We will be royally fucked if the tories get another term. If I speak to any Labour canvassers I will tell them my concerns but if I were in a marginal id hold my nose and vote to make sure the Tories GTFO.

Having a massive majority (if that should happen) doesn't necessarily give a party an easy ride - look at the difficulty in passing the fox-hunting ban, reducing the age of consent to 16, the current Illegal Migration Bill.

I don't see a Labour government dismantling the Equalities Act, overriding the Cass Review and telling sporting bodies to allow trans women into female sport. The country is in far too much of a mess for them to have time to stir up those hornet's nests.

Good luck with that 🙄

Not to mention the additional barriers raised for those marginalised women that now can't use public toilets, go swimming, go to the women's groups they used to attend, the other lifelines provided via tax payer funding and public services to reach and support those groups. including men fucks this beyond repair .

No matter how nicely a politician dresses it up in pomo burble.

This bunch put men first. While saying they don't believe sex exists.
And they put a chosen political idea ahead of reality regardless of impact on vulnerable people.

Over my dead body do I vote for that.

I'm sorry but those are pointless arguments when you're arguing for a party that would make it impossible to define women as a group or accurately record statistics for them.

If women don't exist then there's no longer any point in worrying about single parents and women in poverty and all the rest of it. It'll be gone. Game over. Nice pretty campaigns about 'look at us raising a mixed sex mostly male focused women out of poverty' will mean fuck all to actual women and their problems.

How does this compare to Labour run Wales?

I respect anyone's choice to vote on a single issue but voting Tory is not a vote to protect women's rights. Their policies have made women in this country worse off over the last 13 years.

Public sector pay freezes affect women disproportionately (80% of NHS employees are women; in the adult social care sector, around 82% of workers are women; and around 76% of teachers in England are women).

One in five people in the UK is in poverty with women making up the majority of this group.

28% of households made up of a single parent and at least one child report running out of food and not being able to afford more on a regular basis.

As far as I can ascertain, Labour's economic policies are the same as the Tories'. What will be gained by voting in a Labour government?

Outside of economic policy, they are (like the Democrats in the USA) probably more likely to wage wars abroad than the Tories; and it's not just that they support self-id - many of their MPs won't even speak to or reply to women who express concerns about it.

Because one should vote for parties based on their current policies not their historic policies.

Regarding Labour MPs and candidates. My Labour MP is on the 'Women and Equalities Committee' ( Kim Johnson, Liverpool Riverside) and she's full on TWAW. She has refused a meeting with her constituents on this issue, and her aggressive office manager tells us " You're wasting your time. She won't change her mind" ( forget representation.....).

Anyway, I noticed the other day she has a icon at the top of her twitter account by her bio which says 'Followed by Mermaids'. I'm not a twitter user so am unaware if she has consciously inserted this icon to signal her support for Mermaids - or if this would appear even without her say so? Does anyone know?

Anyway - she's being followed by Mermaids and even after everything that has happened recently, she's not at all cautious about being associated with them.

She can fuck off. I really dislike her, very intensely.

The parliamentary Labour party is full of people like her. I'll certainly not be voting Labour any time soon.

If you are in a by election you have the chance to make a point. Most likely, Labour will win the by elections. But if the swing is smaller than expected, they will analyse why.

By election results won't change an 80 seat majority but holding your nose may make a strategic point. In the lead up to a GE.

Remember that in Scotland, Labour MSPs were WHIPPED to vote for self ID, despite all their amendments being defeated. Two women defied the whip, not a single man did. When Rishi Sunak blocked the Holyrood bill from passing, Labour's first instinct was to join Nicola Sturgeon booing and hissing the bad Tories. Until they realised that for once Scotland actually agreed with a Conservative government.

@Igmum
I too am a single issue voter. I've spoiled a ballot with suffragette slogans and found an obscure centre left party to vote for (which got about 173 votes) but it isn't the same.

I'm wondering about the slogans. I intend to spoil my ballot, but it's easy for me to say that as Labour (who I'd otherwise vote for) always win here.

But I wondered if there were lots of spoiled ballots with the same slogan, would it get noticed? Picked up in the news? (Story fed to journalists?)
Just thinking of the one where someone spoiled their ballot with, er, a drawing, and it made the news as there was debate over whether to count it as a vote as it was next to a candidates name.

I'd make a thread but worried it counts as a crime or something to suggest others might use the same slogan!

Are you in Kent?

Streeting will say whatever the focus groups suggest is the most expedient thing at the time.

There's not a single Labour politician I'd trust further than the end of my nose right now. (With the exception of Rosie Duffield). Sleekit, the lot of them.

If you want to hear where the labour front bench may be going on this issue it is worth listening to Wes Streeting on the latest News Agents podcast. He talks about the need for single sex spaces, recognises the Scottish GRA is a mess and even admits that women were gaslit over the issue. He says that you can't just legislate and just hope for the best. It is a very interesting discussion and he says a lot of things I have not previously heard from the labour front bench.

I don’t get why any rational woman would vote for a party that says no one is talking about this and the rest.

If you want to actually look at this and the kindly is in good faith, consider western democracies and how gender ideology has risen throughout most.

Look at which political side supports that and the countries that have fully adopted it in laws, and media at times

The Tories did similar but look at recent moves away from it, frustratingly slow but there

Labour and Lib Dem’s have been clear on where they stand, well actually Starmer not that clear as he’s fence sitter extraordinaire but the parties have talked about TWAW or ignoring women

If you vote Labour or Lib Dem you’ll give them mandate and voila we are NZ, Canada etc

Good luck to those who think they can fight it after a GE. No chance. You’ll be toast if you do care about the issue. And dc up next.

Which other parties were not wholly taken in by it at the time?

When did the opposition say 'hang on a minute, this is a really bad idea because....'?

Would someone kindly enlighten me as to how exactly the Tories are the party to vote for when all these unwanted changes have happened while they are actually in power?