Labour canvasser today

Does he? I am not sure underestimating the intelligence of the electorate to this extent is really that smart.
poor little Keir is under the illusion that current polling demonstrates that people like him. They don’t; they just hate the other guys. If he had more nous he’d act accordingly.

Ah no, you haven't listened to starmer.

He actually says safe spaces for women, which is not the same as single sex.
It's a minor detail and obviously he hopes we wont notice. But we have, its been said a lot too, so he knows what hes doing.

I'm a Tory for this reason. I used to be because of the economy and lower taxes but a combination of recent governments, Covid and Brexit has put paid to that.

Never in my wildest dreams did I ever think I'd even consider voting tory. I thought Blair was too right wing.

But I cannot vote for a party which would make the lives of the next generation of women so much harder than it is now. I cannot see myself voting Labour ever again, unless they give a fulsome apology for the way they've treated women and a cast-iron guarantee that they will not pretend they believe men are women or pass legislation forcing the public to,

Does anyone know how kjk's party of women is getting along for potential candidates.

There was also a national health action party at some point but I can't see any info. on potential candidates.

There are millions of disenfranchised voters out here and if we don't vote or we spoil our votes to make a point, we achieve nothing.

If people are happy for Labour to get in will they be happy with a Canada or NZ situation?

And if not what will they do about it

You've pretty much summed it up.

She said all that when ?

And what year is it now ?

To be fair to Liz Truss she was one of the first Tories to come out and say that Government Departments shouldn't be paying money to Stonewall and that they should leave.

Streeting used to work for Stonewall and was involved with the witch hunt against those in the Labour Party with gender critical views. So I trust him about as far as I can throw him.

Yes never forget these weasel words from Labour. Starmer claimed that the law said TWAW and if Labour says lies that it supports single sex spaces, how they define who qualifies for access to that single sex space is crucial.

No, south west.

Starmer, like all of his kind, thinks he is cleverer than the electorate, and that the attempted sleight of hand will not be spotted.
let him try it. He’ll find out, the pompous fool.

So my question to canvassers would be: does Labour support single sex spaces/sports/prisons? If so, does Labour consider a trans woman a woman for the purposes of qualifying for single sex status?

Streeting may voice support for single sex spaces (so does Starmer) but his party also says .1% of women have a penis. It’s fairly clear to me that Labour’s fudge will be that these penis having “women” are also women for the purposes of single sex spaces. Starmer is a lawyer, this grey area is being carefully maintained, so that Labour can sneakily face both ways.

I believe Starmer will squeeze in, and various spinning tops will clash into each other meaning he'll fail over four years. Badenoch or Cates needs to be the leader to offer a culturally distinct message to win in 2028.

The “something better” will most likely be a Badenoch led Tory party; which may well happen, at least if she’s put before the party membership as an option. She’s v popular at grassroots level by all accounts; her directness is appreciated.

I don’t think Labour care if people spoil their ballot or vote independent they just don’t want you to vote Tory due to their woeful stance on gender ideology

Long term, I think independent candidates are probably the answer, to send sufficient message to all the established parties that the electorate don't want them and are no longer prepared to support them. That would force the return of actual representation.

However at the next election the only realistic end point is con or lab. And most likely lab with a raggle taggle bunch of every other leftist nut job party in a coalition, which brings the absolute worst of critical theory politics and unleashes it. They will tell voters: we won on this. This (ending of women's rights and child safeguarding) is what you said you wanted!

I cannot vote for any party I want, who I respect or want in power or feel represented by. I'm down to trying to vote tactically to have another five years to fight for women's rights to be retained where at least the government is dragging its feet and has some doubts instead of shouting 'full speed ahead! Yippee, fuck women!'. And hopefully something better may come along.

I'm already resolving to voting for an independent. This is Liz Truss country, about as safe a Tory seat as they come.

Can't wait to torture her, and the Lab and LD candidates over the What Is A Woman? question.

But I've resolved never to vote for any party that is happy to defy material reality.

Sure. But how are Labour going to be significantly different? Their economic policy looks very similar to the Tories'.

It is Handmaids tale in reverse there. I am watching with horror as you destroy the children, women and there is also the MAID Eugenics / organ transplants.

It makes me physically sick.

That's what Labour will do here too, the liberal left are worse than the Tory party and I never thought it was possible.

The worst safeguarding fail in our lifetime.

Chatting to the chap who'll be our Lib Dem candidate at the next election (I know him socially) and asked him the same question as OP did the canvasser. He totally dodged it and said he hadn't considered any of this 'gender stuff'. I didn't quite call him a liar. But told him I found that hard to believe, and that if true he'd better have some credible answers.

@Rudderneck could you tell us a little bit about what it's like on the ground in Canada now? I'd be interested to hear what the actual impact has been.

I've no idea if your stats are correct, however if we add men into women as will, happen with self Id, none of your stats will matter.

Women will not be a stand alone demographic, added to the women demographic will be any man who says he is a woman.

How can you fight for fairness for women if you cant identify the women.

Yes torys bad, and yet Tory can state what a woman is. How about that? Who knew they can tell the truth sometimes.

You do you, in the meantime I'll vote for the party that will keep men out of single sex spaces or at least say they will.

This should not be a fight any woman should have to fight, this should have been set in stone decades ago. It hasn't been and now it matters. It matters so much to me that I'm voting Tory as it stands.
All labour have to do is match that.